MTB: Harder than it looks
So my riding is about 90% commuting, but I also wanted a bike to mess around with my kids, go on gravel rides with my buddies, and do some backcountry bike packing so I got a Jones Plus LWB which also happens to be a capable MTB but not why I bought it.
I am not riding to work right now because work is shut down because COVID-19 so I have been riding the MTB park near my house (Beacon Hill, Spokane) each morning just to get out and feel human, get some exercise. My hat's off to you guys: Mtn Biking is WAY harder than it looks! Also way harder than I remember it being when I was 21 (a few decades ago). My plan is to practice, practice, practice; work on the trails giving me trouble (virtually all the "blue squares" yep, I know); and when the prohibitions on gatherings lift, sign up for some classes at REI. Open to other suggestions but really just wanted to say you all make it look so easy! (FYI before you say anything about the fender, this only stays on during wet commuting weather, it doesn't join me, unless it gets really muddy then I would mount it much higher. Currently off as the trails are frozen) https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...614371d0de.jpg |
Agree it's not easy, but it's so much fun! A friend (female) of mine bought her first mtn.bike last year, for her 66th birthday (she's younger than I). She's ridden for years, but not offroad. So we went to a local park which has some trails specifically built for mtn.biking. Rocks, roots, stream crossings. Diff trails for diff skill levels, some have jump rams which you can jump off, or choose to ride around. We rode around. I was amazed how well she took to the trails. Now, we both are and have always been physically active, so guess that helped. My wife also still mtn.bikes, wasn't along with us on the rides, as she was still working then, and we ride during work hours/days so less riders on the trails. We all still ride pavement, but would rather be riding trails. It hasn't ceased to be a blast, just hoping to be trail riding for a long time. Glad you're enjoying it! BTW-the fenders don't look bad at all!
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Pic w/o rear fender
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Originally Posted by freeranger
(Post 21373858)
Agree it's not easy, but it's so much fun! A friend (female) of mine bought her first mtn.bike last year, for her 66th birthday (she's younger than I). She's ridden for years, but not offroad. So we went to a local park which has some trails specifically built for mtn.biking. Rocks, roots, stream crossings. Diff trails for diff skill levels, some have jump rams which you can jump off, or choose to ride around. We rode around. I was amazed how well she took to the trails. Now, we both are and have always been physically active, so guess that helped. My wife also still mtn.bikes, wasn't along with us on the rides, as she was still working then, and we ride during work hours/days so less riders on the trails. We all still ride pavement, but would rather be riding trails. It hasn't ceased to be a blast, just hoping to be trail riding for a long time. Glad you're enjoying it! BTW-the fenders don't look bad at all!
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I think the Jones is a capable rigid MTB. I've been eying this as well. the only drawback for off-road is that is has 27.2mm seatpost, which severely limits droppers to uber-expensive and unreliable short droppers.
I don't know if you ever rode with dropper. I'm not a good rider and rode my fatbike for over a year with rigid post. but then added the 170mm dropper and woah.... I'm still a bad rider, but feel much more confident and a dropper is the single best upgrade to an MTB. i don't know if you have experience with a sprung MTB how doe the 3"tires help with removing chatter? On my 4.8" tires with rigid fork I have to lower pressure a lt to get a good riding feeling. |
Love the Jones bikes, the truss fork will take the edge off if you start riding rougher trails. I have his bars and it's super comfy.
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I actually find the newer bikes make the trails easier then they used to be since I don't think I'm a better rider but I never did the drops that I do now when I was 21. I had fun but its a whole new level now and I'm faster off-road then I was even though I'm currently a slower rider onroad then I used to be.
Looks like a fun rig you have there for trying them out, doesn't matter blue square or not, everyone starts somewhere. Just keep trying as you said. |
Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun
(Post 21376055)
I think the Jones is a capable rigid MTB. I've been eying this as well. the only drawback for off-road is that is has 27.2mm seatpost, which severely limits droppers to uber-expensive and unreliable short droppers.
I don't know if you ever rode with dropper. I'm not a good rider and rode my fatbike for over a year with rigid post. but then added the 170mm dropper and woah.... I'm still a bad rider, but feel much more confident and a dropper is the single best upgrade to an MTB. i don't know if you have experience with a sprung MTB how doe the 3"tires help with removing chatter? On my 4.8" tires with rigid fork I have to lower pressure a lt to get a good riding feeling. |
Originally Posted by qclabrat
(Post 21376344)
Love the Jones bikes, the truss fork will take the edge off if you start riding rougher trails. I have his bars and it's super comfy.
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Originally Posted by Russ Roth
(Post 21376451)
I actually find the newer bikes make the trails easier then they used to be since I don't think I'm a better rider but I never did the drops that I do now when I was 21. I had fun but its a whole new level now and I'm faster off-road then I was even though I'm currently a slower rider onroad then I used to be.
Looks like a fun rig you have there for trying them out, doesn't matter blue square or not, everyone starts somewhere. Just keep trying as you said. bored on a green circle descent! Gonna try the steeper descent with the drop tomorrow |
Good on you for going full rigid on your first mountain bike. You'll learn to pick good lines rather than rely on suspension to just bash into **** like some troglodyte. Then get a FS bike and have at it. LOL
As far as 27.2 dropper posts - I've been using a PNW dropper (external cable routing) on my Ibis and it's been a peach. Cheap in terms of cost, easy to set up and reliable. |
Originally Posted by commo_soulja
(Post 21376703)
Good on you for going full rigid on your first mountain bike. You'll learn to pick good lines rather than rely on suspension to just bash into **** like some troglodyte. Then get a FS bike and have at it. LOL
As far as 27.2 dropper posts - I've been using a PNW dropper (external cable routing) on my Ibis and it's been a peach. Cheap in terms of cost, easy to set up and reliable. i have actually heard, maybe you can verify, rigid bikes are better on highly technical terrain because they have more precise steering? I may never go Fs, if so! |
Check out the Rich Drew mtb instructional videos on YouTube. Very useful.
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I just got back into MTB after about 15 years on road bikes. Cruising around the Santa Monica mountains with my boys now. It's harder than I remembered from when I was more daring, and admittedly younger. But it's so much fun and my teenage boys are having a blast with their old man trying to keep up on the uphill and trashing them on the downhill :D
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I’ve had my modern MTB’s for only 2-1/2 years now, less for having a medical outage last year. I can tell that the newer style of bike is better but it was a big change. Being middle aged now it’s a slower learning curve. It’s taken me all this time to do jumps that I was doing fine in 2017 on my Y2K bike.
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy
(Post 21377125)
Check out the Rich Drew mtb instructional videos on YouTube. Very useful.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
(Post 21377845)
I’ve had my modern MTB’s for only 2-1/2 years now, less for having a medical outage last year. I can tell that the newer style of bike is better but it was a big change. Being middle aged now it’s a slower learning curve. It’s taken me all this time to do jumps that I was doing fine in 2017 on my Y2K bike.
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Originally Posted by davei1980
(Post 21378044)
I will thanks! I have been watching a few produced by some UK outfit (Global Mtb Network?) pretty good tips. I now know the utility of dropping your saddle on descents!
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Originally Posted by davei1980
(Post 21378046)
That's awesome! I think those older, simpler bikes were pretty awesome in their own right!
The things that make the new bikes different since then are really the wheel size with lower pressure, raked out steering, and dropper, and the full squish styles have settled down to basically just two that work really well. The 1x & clutch RD and disk brakes are nice but not as essential. I do think a lot of the rigid bike thing is fueled by a funny combination of rock-n-roll iconoclasm and middle-aged nostalgia, and enabled by things that have come along since, especially the big tires and dirt-bike steering. You don't find a lot of people out on the trails on those old rigid bikes from the late 80s and early 90s. Although having said that a few of them are sure to chime in. |
Originally Posted by davei1980
(Post 21376947)
very helpful thanks!
i have actually heard, maybe you can verify, rigid bikes are better on highly technical terrain because they have more precise steering? I may never go Fs, if so! Your suspension needs are driven by the terrain and I would recommend maybe sticking to easier terrain in terms of technical features until you master the handling techniques. I no longer ride my FS as it's 4 lbs heavier than my HT on terrain that has no rocks, only roots, really twisty ST with man made obstacles (stumps, logs) and find an HT faster. It's unfortunate that the current crisis prevents you from riding with some experienced rider who could show you handling tips, but YT has good stuff and you've got time to practice. And as note to the OP, mt. biking IS harder than road riding, IMO. An hour on a mt. bike is a much more anaerobic activity, equiv. to 1-1/2 to 2 hrs. on a road bike. I do put out sustained effort on a fast road ride, where as a mt. bike has many short intense bursts, as well as a harder workout on the upper body a result of steering the bike thru obstacles, trees, etc... When I can, I swim to keep my upper body in shape. |
Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 21378524)
It's unfortunate that the current crisis prevents you from riding with some experienced rider who could show you handling tips, but YT has good stuff and you've got time to practice.
Fortunately, my LBS does group rides every Thursday night, less than 1/2 dozen people and very easy to ride together and maintain health protocol. Their rides are supposed to be fun and no-drop so I plan on doing that this week. When this is over I know REI does free classes, I am sure they're very basic but everyone, even the saltiest among us, can learn more with an open mind! And as note to the OP, mt. biking IS harder than road riding, IMO. An hour on a mt. bike is a much more anaerobic activity, equiv. to 1-1/2 to 2 hrs. on a road bike. I do put out sustained effort on a fast road ride, where as a mt. bike has many short intense bursts, as well as a harder workout on the upper body a result of steering the bike thru obstacles, trees, etc... When I can, I swim to keep my upper body in shape. I think you're right for two other reasons - road biking you can more easily pick your rest and pain points. In MTB, if you don't punch up the hill when you come to it, you're gonna just be stopped for a while or walking. Also, I feel like my heart rate stays up for longer periods because of the "if I get knocked off my line on this particular section I could die" factor.... LOL I am sure that goes away but for now a weird part of the fun. |
Hi,
I am an old lady who just started mountain biking you are exactly right; mtb is much harder than it looks but oh so much fun.. I bought the Surly Karate Monkey, heavy but very stable and I am addicted. I use good judgement and don't do jumps or rocks or anything that would break my bones. The bike is heavy so I am slow, but I am getting used to finding my line and climbing. I took a lesson with a Pro, Kathy Krause, and this added to my confidence. She also helped tweak my fit. I love being in the woods. I should add that I have been road riding since I was 9 years old when I lived in world much less crowded by cars. I love your bike. I have Jones bars on my hybrid which I use for paved and gravel flat trails. |
Originally Posted by benton1
(Post 21387638)
Hi,
I am an old lady who just started mountain biking you are exactly right; mtb is much harder than it looks but oh so much fun.. I bought the Surly Karate Monkey, heavy but very stable and I am addicted. I use good judgement and don't do jumps or rocks or anything that would break my bones. The bike is heavy so I am slow, but I am getting used to finding my line and climbing. I took a lesson with a Pro, Kathy Krause, and this added to my confidence. She also helped tweak my fit. I love being in the woods. I should add that I have been road riding since I was 9 years old when I lived in world much less crowded by cars. I love your bike. I have Jones bars on my hybrid which I use for paved and gravel flat trails. |
I had to practice getting on my Kuat bike rack. All of the Surly bikes are versatile.
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Originally Posted by GrainBrain
(Post 21378078)
Probably the most important thing I learned, get yer butt back over that rear axle!! I find that I'll ride a third of the miles on my mtb vs road and have the same workout!
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