The race for comfort is rear biased but it should be now about front of the bike...
Both new GT Grade and Cannondale Topstone Carbon use a very sophisticated solutions to provide a suspension like comfort focused on the rear of the bike. But the comfort comes mostly from the front of the bike so all the effort should be focused on making front more comfortable. Yet only Specialized with futureshock, Canyon with hoover handlebar and Giant with D-Fuse handlebar is trying to to something in that area. As a owner of shockstop stem I can say with confidence that we need more of solutions like that instead of making rear more and more flexing. So it is dissapointing that Cannondale, with a history of front suspension on road bikes (headshok) did not go in that direction while making new Cannondale Topstone Carbon. Now we have to wait for 2020 Specialized Diverge to see an implementation of the improved future shock...
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Originally Posted by sweetspot
(Post 20987396)
But the comfort comes mostly from the front of the bike so all the effort should be focused on making front more comfortable.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
(Post 20987410)
Good to know! Wonder why Giant and Cannondale haven't figured it out. :foo:
My point is that they all should seek the right balance between front and rear comfort. Try to lock the front suspension on full MTB bike and you will immedietaly feel the difference which will not be compenated by even the best rear suspension. That is why i think that 2020 specialized diverge can be the best overall package in terms of comfort both front and rear. And that is why i feel that new cannondale topstone carbon is a missed opportunity... |
2.3 inch tires at 28 PSI is like riding on a cloud. I rode a Trail Donkey 3.0 with this setup - It was basically point and shoot. Picking a line was an afterthought.
For "The right balance between front and rear comfort" or those who need more than wide tires should be eagerly anticipating the Niner MCR RDO. -Tim- |
Gravel bikes have an upright geometry with more rider weight distributed through the seat, so that is why you see this bias towards rear suspension. Personally, I think I prefer no suspension system at all, but my rides aren't very bumpy.
Cannondale's "Kinpin" system seems like a combo of Giant's extremely dropped seat stays and Trek's IsoSpeed decoupler (though I'm sure Trek would take issue with this characterization and provide pages of documentation about whey their system is more advanced). |
in my opinion, vibrations are far worse than bumpy.
If the front of your current bicycle is a compliance problem, then try using the handle bars to steer the bicycle rather than using them as an upper body support. Pull on the bars, don't push the bars. |
Originally Posted by Metieval
(Post 20987639)
in my opinion, vibrations are far worse than bumpy.
If the front of your current bicycle is a compliance problem, then try using the handle bars to steer the bicycle rather than using them as an upper body support. Pull on the bars, don't push the bars. And my next bike will run tubeless, and I think this will help more yet. |
Originally Posted by Metieval
(Post 20987639)
in my opinion, vibrations are far worse than bumpy.
If the front of your current bicycle is a compliance problem, then try using the handle bars to steer the bicycle rather than using them as an upper body support. Pull on the bars, don't push the bars. |
Originally Posted by HarborBandS
(Post 20987667)
And my next bike will run tubeless, and I think this will help more yet.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20987557)
2.3 inch tires at 28 PSI is like riding on a cloud. I rode a Trail Donkey 3.0 with this setup - It was basically point and shoot. Picking a line was an afterthought.
For "The right balance between front and rear comfort" or those who need more than wide tires should be eagerly anticipating the Niner MCR RDO. -Tim- |
Originally Posted by sweetspot
(Post 20987739)
Cannondale says that what they have done with carbon topstone adds comfort like 9 mm wider tire. So you are totally right. We need more gravel bikes with bigger tire clearance.
I will have to see what various testers and reviewers have to say. Test rides are helpful too, but you can only tell so much from riding around the block at the bike shop a few times. |
Originally Posted by Rides4Beer
(Post 20987738)
This is my first tubeless setup, 40mm @ 40psi is fantastic. :thumb:
Experiment. It might be a surprise how low you can really go. It helps tremendously, especially with rough mountain descents. . |
Originally Posted by redlude97
(Post 20987714)
Front suspension imo should be reserved for maintaining traction primarily, not for comfort
Samething for rear suspension. Confort is obviously a « side effect » but I personaly want suspension to maintain traction when the terrain becomes very bumpy. |
Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20987758)
Go as low as you can without bottoming out the rim.
Experiment. It might be a surprise how low you can really go. It helps tremendously, especially with rough mountain descents. . |
Originally Posted by HarborBandS
(Post 20987751)
That's interesting! I didn't see that tidbit, but did see the quote from Cannondale that the "Kingpin" system is capable of 30mm of travel. That seems like a lot! Too much, even?
I will have to see what various testers and reviewers have to say. Test rides are helpful too, but you can only tell so much from riding around the block at the bike shop a few times. |
Originally Posted by sweetspot
(Post 20987396)
BBut the comfort comes mostly from the front of the bike so all the effort should be focused on making front more comfortable.
Of course, I also don't like the continued mountain bike-ification of gravel bikes. Here in Mi, gravel biking is much more at the road end of things and basically I just want a slightly slack road bike with room for 45-50mm tires. |
Originally Posted by Rides4Beer
(Post 20987827)
Def plan to experiment with the pressure, that was just my starting point, being 185lbs, I didn't want to start too low. Feels great on fast gravel, but had a sketchy descent on my last ride that was more baseball sized rocks than gravel, lower pressure would have really helped. Gonna ride that section again with 35psi and see how it feels. Being more confident and carrying a lil more speed through there would probably help too, I think going slower actually made it worse. lol
-Tim- |
going back to the point I made with this thread. I have created a testing methodology and conducted a series of test to see if I was right and the data shows that I was. There is a lot more to gain now from focusing on the front end of the bike than still on the rear in terms of the riding comfort. Please see my measurements and let me know what you think.
thanks! https://gravelbikes.cc/features/wher...iding-comfort/ |
Originally Posted by sweetspot
(Post 21025877)
going back to the point I made with this thread. I have created a testing methodology and conducted a series of test to see if I was right and the data shows that I was. There is a lot more to gain now from focusing on the front end of the bike than still on the rear in terms of the riding comfort. Please see my measurements and let me know what you think.
thanks! https://gravelbikes.cc/features/wher...iding-comfort/ I genuinely don't know how measuring vibration reduction would happen outside of a lab. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 21026155)
So you own all the bikes tested and how were the tests conducted?
I genuinely don't know how measuring vibration reduction would happen outside of a lab. And yes I claim that i do as scientific measurements as possible but this is no lab testing. But I get rather repeatable readings so I believe I can use it for comparison. |
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Originally Posted by BluesDawg
(Post 21026310)
https://gravelbikes.cc/tests/redshift-shockstop-stem/ |
Actually, for gravel-type riding, I think suspension IS more about comfort than traction. At least on the gravel I end up riding, traction is taken care of by tire pressure. The bumps are just not large enough for suspension to play much of a role in that. I think suspension is mainly needed when people still want to run smaller tires and high pressure.
And in terms of comfort, the rear is more important to me on gravel riding. I don’t have any suspension on my gravel bike. However, I have considered getting a (very short travel) suspension seat post. I have never once considered getting anything for the front. Mtb is very different, IMO. The terrain is usually bumpy enough that suspension is needed to maintain traction and control. Therefore I find it more important in the front. Also, despite my wanting a suspension post for my gravel bike, I have not found them very useful on a mountain bike. |
Originally Posted by sweetspot
(Post 21025877)
going back to the point I made with this thread. I have created a testing methodology and conducted a series of test to see if I was right and the data shows that I was. There is a lot more to gain now from focusing on the front end of the bike than still on the rear in terms of the riding comfort. Please see my measurements and let me know what you think.
thanks! https://gravelbikes.cc/features/wher...iding-comfort/
Originally Posted by sweetspot
(Post 21026442)
Yes I know! I have tested it.
https://gravelbikes.cc/tests/redshift-shockstop-stem/ How do you come up with the % more comfortable statistics on your site? |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 21026827)
How do you come up with the % more comfortable statistics on your site?
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