The Bos is back?
Anyone notice Theo Bos is a track sprinter again?
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke
(Post 18426377)
Anyone notice Theo Bos is a track sprinter again?
He's got aims for Rio. Should be interesting. As much as I love track specialists I like seeing some draw from road studs. |
I heard he is aiming to do team sprint at the Olys, and adding credence to that he just won the NL nats at match sprint beating Hoagland and running 3rd in qualifying.
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What a freak. He could probably race decent at olympics in omnium, TS, and sprint.
Wasn't that always the point of omnium though, it was for sprints and endurance riders the same? Once in a while a guy can actually do both. |
dis b great news, b. im a fan of theo bos
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Originally Posted by gtrob
(Post 18427007)
What a freak. He could probably race decent at olympics in omnium, TS, and sprint.
Wasn't that always the point of omnium though, it was for sprints and endurance riders the same? Once in a while a guy can actually do both. Now, if you traded one of the mass-start races for a Keirin, then it'd be more fair with 3 sprint and 3 enduro events. |
yeah, the point about omniums being competitive events for sprinters is that they're competitive for road sprinters, not track sprinters.
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Lee Povey noted his performance in a Facebook "rant" recently saying basically that even though he killed it at a national level, you can see where the road work hurt him and generally, at a world level he's relatively "slow."
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Originally Posted by SprintzNKiloz
(Post 18441399)
Lee Povey noted his performance in a Facebook "rant" recently saying basically that even though he killed it at a national level, you can see where the road work hurt him and generally, at a world level he's relatively "slow."
I think that the conditioning needed can be achieved in various phases of sprint training. (This is my armchair coach's philosophy) EDIT: The main reason is that there are more than 2 muscle fiber types ("slow twitch" and "fast twitch") and some of those muscle fibers can be conditioned to be either "slow" or "fast". How you train affects what those muscles do. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18441525)
Yeah. I don't have as much experience as some. But, from my point of view, if you are looking to be a pure sprinter, then train for 1 minute power period. Use road rides to burn fat or stay lean if necessary, but not as a major part of your program. I'd cut out long, hard group rides.
I think that the conditioning needed can be achieved in various phases of sprint training. |
what was the flying 200 time that he qualified with to win the sprint at Dutch nats?
that last few tenths of a second to be truly competitive internationally takes such a greater level of focus and specification. you don't get to 9.9 the same way you get to 10.3. or whatever. |
Originally Posted by queerpunk
(Post 18441597)
what was the flying 200 time that he qualified with to win the sprint at Dutch nats?
that last few tenths of a second to be truly competitive internationally takes such a greater level of focus and specification. you don't get to 9.9 the same way you get to 10.3. or whatever. |
:) edit* finals too |
Originally Posted by sergioflorez
(Post 18482022)
:) edit* finals too And look at all those bobbed aero lids. . . TC |
Whoa. Nice. Using relatively "wide" Easton EC90 bars as well. Those bars are only available in 38 and 40cm.
He's definitely back on the scene for sure. |
Can someone tell me why we can't have similar YouTube coverage for the plethora of big track races like this? I've only seen footage of a few Six Days this season, and little to nothing of the World Cups.
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke
(Post 18442251)
If this is on Apeldorn it's pretty impressive as it doesn't seem like a particularly quick track.
If you recall a few years back when the WCs were there, it changed the character of several events as laps were harder to take and sprints played out a bit differently.
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18482542)
Whoa. Nice. Using relatively "wide" Easton EC90 bars as well. Those bars are only available in 38 and 40cm.
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Originally Posted by TrackMonkey7
(Post 18482795)
Can someone tell me why we can't have similar YouTube coverage for the plethora of big track races like this? I've only seen footage of a few Six Days this season, and little to nothing of the World Cups.
Pretty frustrating, especially after watching the highlights! Paul |
Originally Posted by Hida Yanra
(Post 18482801)
yup - right there with you, first thing I noticed about that photo- can't name another high-level sprinter using anything that wide. There's gains to be made there.
also notable is that though Bos was on a Cervelo - consistent with his trade team sponsorship but not an ideal sprint bike for sure - during, i believe, Dutch national champs, he was back on a more sprint-appropriate national team Koga for these Revolution races. |
Originally Posted by sergioflorez
(Post 18482022)
:) edit* finals too |
Originally Posted by Hida Yanra
(Post 18482801)
yup - right there with you, first thing I noticed about that photo- can't name another high-level sprinter using anything that wide. There's gains to be made there.
Originally Posted by queerpunk
(Post 18482995)
it's always funny to see people come back to a discipline after some gear standards have changed. Wiggins was using track drops for madisons in recent months, too.
also notable is that though Bos was on a Cervelo - consistent with his trade team sponsorship but not an ideal sprint bike for sure - during, i believe, Dutch national champs, he was back on a more sprint-appropriate national team Koga for these Revolution races.
Originally Posted by JimiMimni
(Post 18483031)
...Also, Bos is just leagues ahead of those boys, isn't he?
The crowd wanted Bos to win...Bos won. Same thing happened with Cav when he did his 6-day tour after winning the road World Championship. It would have been pretty anti-climactic if Bos came in last wouldn't it? :D |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18483507)
I think it was Robert Förstemann (or one of the Germans) that went back to using 40-ish centimeter bars for man 1 team sprint. At least that's where I noticed them. Maybe for other events, too.
As I recall, Bos was involved in the design of that frame (after (or during) all of the BT/KOGA intellectual property drama). Other than the "Theo helped us design this bike" marketing speak, I don't believe he actually had any role in its design, but that's just my understanding. Koga didn't design any of that bike other than the paint scheme. |
Originally Posted by Hida Yanra
(Post 18483527)
a quick re-check at the footage I have from this season and his IG acct shows him on the FES bars - but I don't have many videos of their TS squad - worth a look for sure, I could see the wider bars being a touch better off the line.
It's been a year or more when I saw that. Things may be different again now. I'm sure they are all experimenting. I went back and forth between 33, 37, and 38cm bars. My max wattage on standing starts was always like 100W higher with the 38cm EC90 bars...but I was probably less aero. There's obviously a tradoff in there somewhere between leverage for the huge deadlift type of effort and making an arrowhead shape with your arms. So, I can see the logic being: For great starts use normal sized bars, for best top speed and speed maintenance, use narrow bars. So, if you are man 1 of team sprint, all you are doing is providing a great start for your team, then use normal bars. Any rolling start (flying 200M, keirin) would be better using narrow bars.
Originally Posted by Hida Yanra
(Post 18483527)
Other than the "Theo helped us design this bike" marketing speak, I don't believe he actually had any role in its design, but that's just my understanding. Koga didn't design any of that bike other than the paint scheme.
And I guess I'm just talking about angles and tube lengths more so than materials and layup. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18483773)
Yeah, they were FES bars, but they were noticeably wider than his teammates' bars in the same photo.
<snip> Maybe. But, I mean, ..... you know, that's a great question and now I'm curious if Sarah H or Bobby L had input on the TK1- or Colby P, he was involved w/ Felt for a while. I'll see if I can get an answer on the Felt side of things from Dave Koesel (Superdave) over on ST- he's pretty open about design stuff, can't think of any reason that'd need to stay secret. |
Originally Posted by Hida Yanra
(Post 18483827)
good point - that's true on his bar width.
you know, that's a great question and now I'm curious if Sarah H or Bobby L had input on the TK1- or Colby P, he was involved w/ Felt for a while. I'll see if I can get an answer on the Felt side of things from Dave Koesel (Superdave) over on ST- he's pretty open about design stuff, can't think of any reason that'd need to stay secret. |
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