Freewheel too tight to remove?
On the 4 year old or so Trek Navigator 3, one of the spokes finally wore out. When we went to get it fixed, the shop reported that the freewheel is apparently too tight to remove, even after applying triflow and letting it sit. It was removed a few months ago by a different shop to do some maintenance. Any thoughts on whether there's any quirky tricks that might help, or do we just have to buy a new wheel?
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my advice would be to find a new LBS.
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Interesting. Never new spokes wore out! Didn't know freewheels were still being offered on bikes either. Thought that was a 80's when they moved to cassettes and free hubs. +1 on the new LBS as quirky trick.
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"Triflow the snooty man's WD40."
I'm willing to bet that the MAJORITY of new, geared bikes that are sold today in the US have freewheels. Removing one is a relatively routine task. In this case, "routine" isn't necessarily a synonym for "easy". Removing a freewheel can take a prodigious amount of torque. It comes off CCW. The only real trick is to keep the freewheel remover tool engaged while you're torqueing on it. |
Okay, well, my LBS can't get enough torque to get it off, so what should I do?
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Originally Posted by JusticeZero
(Post 16937929)
Okay, well, my LBS can't get enough torque to get it off, so what should I do?
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So, did they break their freewheel removal tool trying?
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
(Post 16938000)
Find another shop, I have removed hundreds of freewheels over the years. Unless the freewheel was installed cross threaded, it can be removed
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Originally Posted by JusticeZero
(Post 16937929)
Okay, well, my LBS can't get enough torque to get it off, so what should I do?
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i remove the wheel, put a 10" adjustable wrench (we used to call it a Crescent wrench) then slide on 2.5 ft. of 1.5" ID galvanized pipe over the handle. hold the wheel and a 10 year-old can remove it. what a bunch of pansies your LBS guys are. unbelievable!
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Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan
(Post 16938225)
i remove the wheel, put a 10" adjustable wrench (we used to call it a Crescent wrench) then slide on 2.5 ft. of 1.5" ID galvanized pipe over the handle. hold the wheel and a 10 year-old can remove it. what a bunch of pansies your LBS guys are. unbelievable!
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 16938158)
If the shop lacks the proper tool for removal, or if the engagement slots on the freewheel body have been damaged such that they no longer hold the remover tool securely, removal can become problematic.
I have a 15" wrench. Using this, I have never been defeated in the task of removing a freewheel. Even on 30+ year old wheels, which have had a lot more time for the freewheel to become corroded onto the hub. BTW: a spoke replacement is a 15 minutes job, including the freewheel removal. |
Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
(Post 16938258)
I have a 15" wrench. Using this, I have never been defeated in the task of removing a freewheel..
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Well, they haven't tried to charge me or sell me a new wheel, so I don't blame greed. I'll stop in in the morning and see what tools they were trying to use.
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noglider +1
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Also the suggestion you find a different bike shop is probably the best idea. Apparently the one you are dealing with has a wimpy mechanic with very little strength or experience.
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Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how long the wrench is, you cannot get more leverage than the radius of the wheel you're holding back.
So the key to getting more leverage is to hold either the wheel or remover rigidly. There are various tricks to bracing a wheel, but far and away the simplest approach is to hold the remover in a vise and turn the wheel to the left. Channel the spirit of Ralph Cramden making a hard left turn before the advent of power steering, and use both hands and body English to free it. BTW- if it doesn't pop free, and you haven't heard spokes pinging and creaking, get a truck driver to turn it for you. |
We put the freewheel removal tool in the bench vise , then unscrew the wheel from the freewheel
which is fixed in the vise by the removal tool .. if too tough for 1 to turn, its a 2 man job. NOLA was that bike submerged in the Flooding? |
Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 16939798)
We put the freewheel removal tool in the bench vise , then unscrew the wheel from the freewheel
which is fixed in the vise by the removal tool .. if too tough for 1 to turn, its a 2 man job. |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16938164)
Apply more torque. ;) Install a freewheel removal tool, secure it with he skewer, and turn the tool with a big wrench. Better yet, install the tool in a bench vise, and turn the wheel off the freewheel. Turn harder than your wimpy LBS mechanics turned it.
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To the OP
This may be an age/generational thing. The staff at the shop may have been raised in the age of the cassette, and not that familiar with freewheels. Being used to cassettes they may have no idea of the amount of torque freewheel removal can involve. Instead of getting help within the shop, they simply said too tight and handed it back. If the shop is at all decent (or at least convenient) this may be a teachable moment. See a senior staffer, and let him teach his people how it's done. |
I borrowed a Big Wrench , in a town I was Passing through, when I needed to remove my freewheel
to replace the broken spoke, On a Bike tour , in England ,, went to the Pub with the wrench owner, and had a few Pints, afterwards :beer: |
According to the Trek website, this bike has a cassette not a freewheel. At least the Trek archives for the 2009-2011 Navigator 3.0 indicate a Sram 8-speed cassette.
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There is also the option of destructive removal :-). Never done it but have removed lots of OTHER things with a careful application of a makita grinder :-)......
The guys at the auto salvage yard are artists with the oxy acetylene hot wrench but that probably not work out well here :-). Bill |
Another vote for putting the removal tool in a vice, then as FBinNY siad, play bus driver. you may also have to jerk it a few times. It will come off.
Iv'e taken them off after; the vice moved, tigntened the vice with a pipe. Then he workbench the vice was attached to moved, had three guys hold the bench. Then my feet slid on the floor, had another guy help turn the wheel. It came off, it took 5 guys, but it came off. |
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