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Are there really any classic and or vintage rules?
As the title states, are there really any rules for what we consider a classic or vintage bike? The reason I’m asking is I’m putting together a project bike. It is a 1999 Waterford. It was the last year for a full Reynolds 531 frame and fork for Waterford. That and the fact is a lugged frame wit a 1” fork. If you didn’t know most folks would say it’s a typical 80’s era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But that’s isn’t a problem if you use barcon shifters.
Any opinions or suggestions for a proper group. |
No rules. Build to suit and ride like the dickens.
For the era of manufacture, maybe 9-speed Ultegra or DA? Nice looking stuff, silver, five arm cranks, can go double or triple, and DA 7700 downtube shifters are quite nice. |
for 1999, I honestly like Record RD-00 a lot. The first one with carbon in it, and arguably marking their rise from the doldrums of the 90s. I think that's right when Ergopower levers got good too.
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Rule #1
Don't tell your wife or significant other how many or what it cost!!😄😄😄😄😄
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Originally Posted by cs1
(Post 21613876)
If you didn’t know most folks would say it’s a typical 80’s era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But that’s isn’t a problem if you use barcon shifters.
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Originally Posted by jjames1452
(Post 21613951)
Don't tell your wife or significant other how many or what it cost!!😄😄😄😄😄
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Originally Posted by cs1
(Post 21613876)
As the title states, are there really any rules for what we consider a classic or vintage bike? The reason I’m asking is I’m putting together a project bike. It is a 1999 Waterford. It was the last year for a full Reynolds 531 frame and fork for Waterford. That and the fact is a lugged frame wit a 1” fork. If you didn’t know most folks would say it’s a typical 80’s era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But that’s isn’t a problem if you use barcon shifters.
Any opinions or suggestions for a proper group. Short answer, no especially for this which is great. All the things you mention put it squarely in the realm, checks all boxes for C+V regardless of when it was built.;) I love it when this happens, so cool to keep the flame burning, retro, classic, vintage, tribute, et all, the foundation is rock solid. As we all know, Waterford's Schwinn roots go back as far as most so its all good. Make it so. :thumb: Here's one I just built with exactly all this in mind and modern group to boot. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ou-decide.html https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...291d757575.jpg |
"they're more like guidelines......"
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1. Make your own rules.
2. Then break them. |
Rules? We don't need no stinkin rules...............
Seriously. The only rule about classic and vintage bikes is to get one for as little $ as possible. Put a ton of $ into it in order for it to be "perfect". Then, sell it for 1/2 what you have in it and, start all over again. |
Originally Posted by ramzilla
(Post 21614212)
Rules? We don't need no stinkin rules...............
Seriously. The only rule about classic and vintage bikes is to get one for as little $ as possible. Put a ton of $ into it in order for it to be "perfect". Then, sell it for 1/2 what you have in it and, start all over again. |
Your frame. Barcons are classic. That's good. Smallish compact cassette and if needed use small chain rings. Do not use a threadless stem adapter. Put non Aero brake levers on it and then 99% of folks will only see brake cables and bar end shifters and think it is truly C&V.
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Originally Posted by merziac
(Post 21614226)
You must be breakin some rules if you can get 1/2 back. :roflmao2:
So True!!!! Not just breakin some but a **** load! Ben |
Only rule in C+V Club is nobody talks about C+V Club.
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It's a classic Keeper of the Flame. Put what you want on it. Or what shows up... I know 9 speed ruled the market then but 8 speed Ergo was sublime.
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Don't stick pitchforks in other folks' babies.
It's ok to say you don't care for it, or suggest what you'd do different, or even suggest tactfully that they'd get more love in a different Forum, but don't say that their Viscount is a worthless piece of junk and that nobody with any sense would ever buy one. (just to pick a random example of what not to do) The exception is Biopace. I still don't get that. ;) :innocent: p.s. Welcome to C&V |
Ride what you want.
Want what you ride. Stick to this rule, and be satisfied. Like what you build. Build what you like. Just remember, it’s only a bike. Oldish cool frames Newish cool parts Make going fast easy, for crotchety old farts. You may ask now But soon you will know.. It really don’t matter, as long as they go. |
Ride it like you stole it. But don’t steal it.
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The only rule is to photograph your bike from the drive side.
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I can only think of one rule. When you post the photo of the completed project, make it's taken from the drive side. It's a little know fact that Team Cinzano's annoyance with Dave Stoller was actually due to his showing them the non-drive of his Masi.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...55cc63470b.png |
Some stuff I've gotten away with here:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...864500a3ef.jpg a re-painted, re-imagined 1971 Raleigh Super Course 81 speed https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...22a285416c.jpg "Gugified" 1972 Raleigh Competition that has become a 650B cantilever rando rig with 2 x 9 bar con gearing https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c0b304faa4.jpg 1977 Raleigh Team Professional "Crayola" - repainted (my repaints all have had indisputably trashed paint) in 120 degree off color scheme, with the 753 frame inexplicably spread to accept a 2 x 9 brifter set-up. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c66f72973b.jpg 199? Giant Iguana repainted and converted to drop bar rig with 2 x 10 gearing. It can go almost anywhere an old body can point it. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...171beaed67.jpg 2000 Bob Jackson Arrowhead - as purchased circa 2010. It's the baby of the fleet has 2 x 9 brifters with full Campagnolo Daytona, and even a radially laced front wheel :eek: I'm not even certain if the rims are alloy (but I suspect they are). *important note - picture was taken midway through a ride where a saddle bolt got lost, and the position wouldn't hold. NOT the normal angle. :o The folks here are the greatest group of people I've encountered - which is saying something, because my work colleagues are pretty danged awesome too. There's an occasional instance where someone may have had a bad day chased by one or two too many, but people are uniformly helpful and generous with their knowledge and advice. |
Kona Kapu
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Kona Kapu 853 Steel Cool lugs 9 speed Ultegra and a Bio Pace crank New and old blend. |
Originally Posted by Classtime
(Post 21614236)
Do not use a threadless stem adapter.
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7,000+ posts and no intro picture on a Waterford? Bro! Why you holdin' out on us??? :D
More seriously, 7700 or 7800 era Dura-Ace and some pretty wheels and call it a day. Classic good looks and modern convenience meets a frameset of the same thinking. :thumb: |
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