Single-speed Flip Crankset Question
Hey,
Doing a budget single-speed flip, but am having trouble finding a cheap crank that is still aesthetically pleasing. I had the Retrospec 44T from Amazon on there ($47), but despite proper torque and bottom bracket alignment, the taper succumbed to damage after about 10km of easy riding. Tried shimming it with some aluminum (*EDIT* I now know that this was an unacceptable solution) and used loctite on the bolt, but the damage was done... Amazon customer service is incredible, so I got my money back at least. I'm now looking for a replacement... On the short-list are the Pure (Fix) Cycles, clocking in at $54.18, the OLizee at $49.24, and (dare I say) the same Retrospec at $47 (maybe the one I got was just faulty?)... All are aluminum with steel chainrings and generally identical measurements. Which of these do you think is the least evil? I would like it to last at least long enough that the buyer forgets who I am! <---SARCASM Thanks! |
Shimming a ruined crankset and then selling it isn't right and hope nobody here helps you.
-Tim- |
Originally Posted by SeanBikes
(Post 20497153)
I would like it to last at least long enough that the buyer forgets who I am!
If I were looking for a cheap but decent single speed crank, I might go with a Pake. Bikewagon sells them for around $60, I think. I can't recommend Bikewagon as a good company and in fact have gotten some terrible customer service from them, but if you're just out to save a few bucks, that outfit and you might be a perfect match. |
Originally Posted by Broctoon
(Post 20497732)
Yeah, real ethical. I'm with Tim--why should any of us help you with this "flip?"
Originally Posted by Broctoon
(Post 20497732)
If I were looking for a cheap but decent single speed crank, I might go with a Pake.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20497291)
Shimming a ruined crankset and then selling it isn't right and hope nobody here helps you.
I guess I've learned something today: Henceforth, as I develop my bicycle building and repair skill-set, I know not to shim cranks. To quote a cycling pseudo-priest, "Sometimes posting or writing or just vocalizing a problem helps one to think it through." Call me enlightened. |
Since you mentioned the taper was damaged, shopping for new cranks won't help you if the spindle on your BB is out of wack, might want to look into replacing that as well.
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Originally Posted by hardboiled718
(Post 20498093)
Since you mentioned the taper was damaged, shopping for new cranks won't help you if the spindle on your BB is out of wack, might want to look into replacing that as well.
Thanks for your reply! |
Steel BB spindle easily out lives aluminum crank when things get loose.
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
(Post 20498105)
Steel BB spindle easily out lives aluminum crank when things get loose.
Hate to break it to you OP, but if you're looking for cheap parts you may likely expect the same results. At least you were lucky enough to get a full refund, pick any one and go for it. Also, not sure what kind of riding your doing, or your weight (not intending offense) but those could also be major factors in the stress the crank suffers. I personally would shell out a little more to avoid this situation in the future. Sugino RD2 or Messenger cranks are a bit above you're budget but reliable and on the cheaper end of the spectrum for quality. |
I would fully agree with Tim. If you were trying to be decent then I would replace the BB and cranks with something of some known quality and maybe have your local shop do it for you so you don't ruin it again. If not go steal one from the neighbor and spray lewd symbols on their house! (don't actually do that please I know it is quite tempting like selling damage parts to someone who might actually get hurt but they are both deplorable ideas)
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Originally Posted by SeanBikes
(Post 20498064)
The shimming idea came from posts on Bike Forums... I was skeptical at first, but others have vouched for crank shimming/welding, implying it lasted them over a year. Others have used aluminum shims to adjust the lie of their crankset and manage their chainline. Wasn't aware it was an ethical no-no... that is, based on what I've read from everybody "here". Either way, the experiment failed and I'm buying a new crank. Does that resolve your butt-hurt?
I guess I've learned something today: Henceforth, as I develop my bicycle building and repair skill-set, I know not to shim cranks. To quote a cycling pseudo-priest, "Sometimes posting or writing or just vocalizing a problem helps one to think it through." Call me enlightened. Maybe people do shim cranks. I never heard of it and it doesn't sound like a good repair to me. I'm open to correction but I'd be pretty mad at someone if they sold me such a bike. And actually, I did consider the priesthood at one point and came close to entering monastic life as a Trappist. -Tim- |
Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20498260)
I did consider the priesthood at one point and came close to entering monastic life as a Trappist.
Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20498260)
Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internet
Regardless, if your intention was to save a future buyer from a shoddy bike build, wouldn't it be in your best interest to help me rather than encourage the opposite? |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 20498250)
If not go steal one from the neighbor and spray lewd symbols on their house! (don't actually do that please I know it is quite tempting like selling damage parts to someone who might actually get hurt but they are both deplorable ideas)
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Originally Posted by hardboiled718
(Post 20498151)
Sugino RD2 or Messenger cranks are a bit above you're budget but reliable and on the cheaper end of the spectrum for quality.
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Getting beyond your ethics or possible lack thereof...
Someone who does not know what they are doing should not be rebuilding & flipping bikes to anybody :rolleyes: Having said that, if you can figure out the right BB for it, for the price, this one is not horrible: FSA Track Bike Fixed Gear Crankset F Gimondi 170mm 44t [400310058003] - $29.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike |
Originally Posted by IAmSam
(Post 20498782)
Having said that, if you can figure out the right BB for it, for the price, this one is not horrible:
FSA Track Bike Fixed Gear Crankset F Gimondi 170mm 44t [400310058003] - $29.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
Originally Posted by IAmSam
(Post 20498782)
Someone who does not know what they are doing should not be rebuilding & flipping bikes to anybody :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by IAmSam
(Post 20498782)
Getting beyond your ethics or possible lack thereof...
Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20497291)
Shimming a ruined crankset and then selling it isn't right and hope nobody here helps you. -Tim-
Originally Posted by Broctoon
(Post 20497732)
Yeah, real ethical. I'm with Tim--why should any of us help you with this "flip?"
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 20498250)
I would fully agree with Tim. If you were trying to be decent then I would replace the BB and cranks [...] If not go steal one from the neighbor and spray lewd symbols on their house! (don't actually do that please I know it is quite tempting like selling damage parts to someone who might actually get hurt but they are both deplorable ideas)
I have already clarified 1) that I had never had this issue before, so I resorted to BF where I learned the shimming technique that I (naively) assumed was commonplace and not grossly detrimental to function or safety (I guess you can't trust everything you read on the internet, especially from the 'experts' on these forums)... and 2) that the comment about allowing the buyer to eventually forget me was a sarcastic joke pertaining to cheap parts that have a low lifespan anyway... I know "Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internet", so I apologize for accidentally triggering you all. Given the above, how then do my actions equate to dishonesty or a lack of morals? If I knew shimming was bad and unsafe but I still did it and later tried to sell the bike for $1000 to some first-time cyclist, then I would see your point... Instead, because I enjoy building bikes, I'm just trying to recover the cost of parts and I know I won't be able to do that if I spend $100 on a crankset. Selling for profit is an entirely different argument... Do you view Retrospec as a dishonest company because they sell garbage components at low prices? What about Wal-Mart? They profit hugely on the garbage products they put into the world at the detriment of ignorant consumers. To me, you get what you pay for and whoever buys this bike will pay a fair price. Since it will have new (albeit low-end) cranks, they will of course will be factored into that price. If the buyer wants to improve the components, that's their prerogative... Maybe they can throw a $200 crank on there and have the market to sell it, but based on the quality of the frame, that would be the true dishonest play. If building a cheap bike (that doesn't fit your cycling elitist standards) and selling it at cost of production is any different from selling an old beat up bike "as is" with missing parts, seized BB/brakes, and a rusted chain for $30, then call me dishonest. At least you can carry on with your artificially inflated self-worth and look down on us lesser mortals from your morally superior office chair. Thank you for your insightful responses though! <--- Mostly sarcasm |
Originally Posted by SeanBikes
(Post 20498570)
Now that's a decent idea -- great beer :beer:
That's fair. Rest assured it was meant as a joke... I can see how it could be interpreted as dishonesty when following a comment about shimming cranks, but I honestly thought that was a common and acceptable option at the time. Regardless, if your intention was to save a future buyer from a shoddy bike build, wouldn't it be in your best interest to help me rather than encourage the opposite? Charity means not automatically assuming the worst but assuming that I don't understand. I should not have assumed dishonest intent so quickly and wasn't charitable. I am sorry. |
Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20499152)
I was probably a bit harsh. No, I was plenty harsh.
Charity means not automatically assuming the worst but assuming that I don't understand. I should not have assumed dishonest intent so quickly and wasn't charitable. I am sorry. |
I too have never heard of "shimming" a damaged crank arm. Even without looking into the details, I can say that I would not attempt a "repair" in that manner. Not on my bike and not on a bike I was going to sell.
Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 20499152)
I was probably a bit harsh. No, I was plenty harsh.
Charity means not automatically assuming the worst but assuming that I don't understand. I should not have assumed dishonest intent so quickly and wasn't charitable. I am sorry. |
Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
(Post 20499238)
I too have never heard of "shimming" a damaged crank arm. Even without looking into the details, I can say that I would not attempt a "repair" in that manner. Not on my bike and not on a bike I was going to sell.
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Originally Posted by SeanBikes
(Post 20498573)
Thanks for clearly labeling your sarcasm... I was already shaking the can!
Also I was harsh because there is an ounce of truth to what you say in a lot of cases. When you suggest you will sell unsafe goods to someone and then say haha just kidding you always have to wonder were you truly kidding. I hope you were, I really honestly do because that would suck if you weren't but sadly that mentality does permeate and I see it around sometimes. Sometimes they do it for self deprecation. You see their bike come in and it is falling apart and could hurt them and they are like "I am going to keep riding it despite your expert advice" I work in a shop so I don't like to B.S. people because I get enough of their B.S. so yeah I am harsh sometimes but only because I love ya or at least don't want you or someone else to die on the bike. |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 20501411)
I am harsh sometimes but only because I love ya or at least don't want you or someone else to die on the bike.
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