Got NR/SR cranks and a torque wrench?
I am certain that there had to have been torque specs for NR cranks but I’ve never seen them.
And while I’ve installed plenty of said cranks, It’s been years since I did my last set and my upper body strength and muscle memory have faded. So here’s the deal: are you riding NR or SR cranks now? Do you have a torque wrench( here’s looking at you AdventureManCO )? If so, could you apply said wrench to said cranks and see what they are torqued to? Otherwise, I’m destined to ride around with a peanut butter wrench in my pocket till things get settled. Thanks |
Never used a torque wrench on those and not that sure I have a socket that will fit to use my torque wrench. The crank bolt doesn’t even need to be *that* tight, not even really needing an “oomph” when you cinch it down, as opposed to an Italian thread drive side BB cup which requires an “oomph!!” - two exclamations.
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I usually do it by feel: When something snaps off, I feel that I’ve gone too far.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 23222090)
You're looking for a singular sample of the "required torque setting," but without adding any torque to the bolt, right?
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ting-arms.html |
Originally Posted by Mr. Spadoni
(Post 23222131)
Yes. Just a check on an bolt that is currently on a crank that is in use. Start with a low torque, then increase it in say five ft lbs steps until it doesn’t click. Or if you have a wrench with an indicator, no need to take it in steps
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 23222090)
You're looking for a singular sample of the "required torque setting," but without adding any torque to the bolt, right?
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ting-arms.html |
Torque settings are a guide.
There is enough variability in manufacturing tolerances alone to justify this, nevermind the possible intermixing of different manufacturer's parts and the effect of repeated fasten/unfasten cycles. With experience[1], you can detect the change in effort required to get a threaded fastener to rotate. For tapered cotterless cranks, there is more than one such change. With a clean lubed crank the first stage just takes up initial clearances The second stage is when the screw or nut forces the crank onto the taper; this steadily increases (due to the taper). The third stage is when the crank resists being stretched by the taper enough that further rotation of the screw/nut starts to stretch that in preference to the crank. This stage has a sharp increase in effort required. The fourth stage requires continued higher effort, ending with either the threaded part breaking or the crank splitting. Stop after the third stage. [1] Studies have shown that the inexperienced tend to overtighten fasteners under some small-ish size, under 1/4" as I recall. If you think that might be you, drill a few holes in something and put some screws and nuts in them and tighten them until they DO break - then you'll know what it feels like. |
Campy recommends 28 Ft-lbs. / 38N.m on their 9 - 10 speed square taper alloy crank arms. I don't know if that is a good for NR/SR.
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The Park Tool chart that I printed a while back says 312-324 inch-pounds for Campy square taper cranks. That equates to 26-27 foot-pounds. The specs for other brands are about the same, but my torque wrench only goes to 250 inch-pounds so that's the number I use.
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Originally Posted by Pompiere
(Post 23222341)
The Park Tool chart that I printed a while back says 312-324 inch-pounds for Campy square taper cranks. That equates to 26-27 foot-pounds. The specs for other brands are about the same, but my torque wrench only goes to 250 inch-pounds so that's the number I use.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 23222124)
I usually do it by feel: When something snaps off, I feel that I’ve gone too far.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Spadoni
(Post 23222173)
Yes. Just a check on an bolt that is currently on a crank that is in use. Start with a low torque, then increase it in say five ft lbs steps until it doesn’t click. Or if you have a wrench with an indicator, no need to take it in steps
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Originally Posted by Mr. Spadoni
(Post 23222173)
Yes. Just a check on an bolt that is currently on a crank that is in use. Start with a low torque, then increase it in say five ft lbs steps until it doesn’t click. Or if you have a wrench with an indicator, no need to take it in steps
Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 23222444)
Why push the crank on further by doing this?
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Torque the bolt with the Campy tool. You will definitely not make it too tight.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7b457e1da5.jpg |
Originally Posted by Steel Charlie
(Post 23222523)
Torque the bolt with the Campy tool. You will definitely not make it too tight.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7b457e1da5.jpg |
Originally Posted by Mr. Spadoni
(Post 23222716)
Yeah, I’ve had one of those for decades. Never had an issue with the crank being too tight when I’ve used it. However, loose cranks are another story. Hence the torque wrench. That and a desire to have a measurable, reproducible results that don’t lead me to second guess my work.
I would expect that the the stretch and or wear? of the tapers in the crank arm may effect it some as we see some that bottom out and may not be tight enough, maybe? :foo: And FWIW, I have shimmed the spindle and used washers that allow the spindle to protrude into them on stretched cranks. :twitchy: Never ground the end of the spindle, yet but have always been able to find a spare with a tighter fit. ;) |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 23222124)
I usually do it by feel: When something snaps off, I feel that I’ve gone too far.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
(Post 23222848)
Is that when you stuff a ball of duct tape in the hole?
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Originally Posted by Reynolds 531
(Post 23222460)
If you carefully go through his scenario, the nut will never move. The last movement will be the torque wrench moving, and therefore "clicking". The fastener does not move when the torque wrench clicks.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Spadoni
(Post 23222716)
Yeah, I’ve had one of those for decades. Never had an issue with the crank being too tight when I’ve used it. However, loose cranks are another story. Hence the torque wrench. That and a desire to have a measurable, reproducible results that don’t lead me to second guess my work.
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I grease the tapers and the bolt threads/washer and use the Campy tool uncheated. Been doing that since about 1978. Never had any come loose.
Works fine for me. |
Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 23222936)
If the bolt is at torque.
But as I already carefully explained, it probably will not be. So the bolt will turn however far it needs to for torque to get to the wrench setting, at which point you have moved the crank arm inboard by the number of threads times the number of rotations of the bolt. thanks for the lecture. |
Originally Posted by Reynolds 531
(Post 23223545)
... and the worst case disaster is that the bolt becomes properly torqued.
I wouldn't have any problem with someone removing the arm first before remounting it with a torque wrench. I think it's also important that if you describe the amount of torque used for your particular crankset, you also mention whether or not grease was used and how much. |
Originally Posted by Steel Charlie
(Post 23223004)
I grease the tapers and the bolt threads/washer and use the Campy tool uncheated. Been doing that since about 1978. Never had any come loose.
Works fine for me. I'm not trying to get anyone else to do it my way, I just know what works for me. |
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 23223679)
Ever seen a deformed arm taper from retightening the bolt?
Have you ever seen a deformed arm taper from correctly torqueing the bolt? |
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