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Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-20-19, 06:52 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Tapping out of this thread. The arguments have...

Tapping out of this thread. The arguments have become too ridiculous.

Ride on the hoods, or the drops, or the hooks, or with no hands at all. Ignore the experts if you want to. It's your life.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-20-19, 03:10 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

That left tire track is also nice because debris...

That left tire track is also nice because debris there gets swept constantly by car tires, so you're less likely to slip out on junk there.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-20-19, 03:04 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

It takes two to argue. As long as you keep...

It takes two to argue. As long as you keep throwing softballs, I'll keep knocking them out of the park. :)



Further nonsense. You conveniently ignore the probability of an emergency event. This...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-20-19, 10:13 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Are you just arguing to hear yourself type now?...

Are you just arguing to hear yourself type now? Any experience rider intuitively knows when conditions make emergency braking more likely. Approaching blind driveways, descending in the dark, to name...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-20-19, 09:49 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Semantic nit picking, congratulations. It's...

Semantic nit picking, congratulations. It's obvious to any sensible person that my general statement "braking in the drops" meant morse specifically "braking in the hooks".



I'm not astounded...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-19-19, 12:30 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Using the drops also requires an increased hip...

Using the drops also requires an increased hip flexion angle, which may be difficult for people who can't touch their toes.

On the topic of muscle engagement, I found this cool infographic. It...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-19-19, 12:01 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Incorrect. I did not state that drops are...

Incorrect. I did not state that drops are "preferred for slow to moderate speeds". I stated a list of scenarios in which drops are beneficial, scenarios which may occur at any range of speeds.


...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-19-19, 10:28 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

I disagree. Given the known fact that braking is...

I disagree. Given the known fact that braking is more effective from the drops, it's clear that it is the preferred position for emergency braking.



What's the matter, is there something wrong...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-19-19, 10:11 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Of course not. I ride in the drops whenever it's...

Of course not. I ride in the drops whenever it's likely I may need to emergency brake.

Like the other night. I was coasting down a straight 6% grade in a residential neighborhood with good...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-19-19, 05:01 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Your presumption is that technical descents are...

Your presumption is that technical descents are the only situation that warrants the use of drops. I don't think that's the only situation. Off the top of my head, here are some others:

emergency...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-18-19, 10:57 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

I think you're right, I seem to remember the...

I think you're right, I seem to remember the same. Like this one:

Pro Tips: How to Descend on a Road Bike - bikeexchange.com (https://www.bikeexchange.com/blog/how-to-descend-road-bike)

In...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-18-19, 11:55 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

The counter to that is... "because I'm...

The counter to that is... "because I'm comfortable using what experts consider poor technique, I don't agree with the experts."
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-18-19, 10:08 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Hmm. Let's recap. YOU: Here's a photo of a...

Hmm. Let's recap.

YOU: Here's a photo of a bike with poorly adjusted drop bars, note that the rider can't brake from the drops.

ME: Of course he can't, the bars are poorly adjusted.

YOU: You...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-17-19, 06:45 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Please notice that the dude has rotated his bars...

Please notice that the dude has rotated his bars upwards to get a higher hand position, and it's that rotation that has made braking from the drops difficult.

That's not the way to get a higher...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 02:56 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Precisely. Comfort (or lack thereof) is a direct...

Precisely. Comfort (or lack thereof) is a direct result of fitting. Which is why I wrote above:

"Barring some physical abnormality, drops are comfortable on a properly fitted bike."
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 02:52 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Not sure to which poster you are referring, but...

Not sure to which poster you are referring, but let me be clear:

Control of flat bars vs hooks of drop bars is roughly equivalent, although it is easier to get your upper torso lower when using...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 02:37 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

False, I did not write that. Yes, city bikes...

False, I did not write that.

Yes, city bikes are designed for the needs of casual riders who travel slowly in the city. They are used by other riders for other purposes, but that is not the design...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 02:32 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

FX3 is a road bike with flat bars.

FX3 is a road bike with flat bars.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 02:14 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

I didn't make the claim that a road bike is...

I didn't make the claim that a road bike is adaptable. That claim was made by another, above, about a city bike.

Yet no matter what "adaptations" you do to a city bike, it will not perform like a...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 01:48 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Exactly. Which is why the claim that a city bike...

Exactly. Which is why the claim that a city bike is "adaptable" (made above) is ludicrous.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 01:37 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Take a city bike down a steep, technical descent...

Take a city bike down a steep, technical descent and make note of how "adaptable" they are.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 12:38 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Good idea. As everyone knows, full suspension...

Good idea. As everyone knows, full suspension downhill bikes are designed for casual urban cyclists going slowly.

/sarcasm
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 11:23 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Yes, a strong rider can get an upright city bike...

Yes, a strong rider can get an upright city bike to go fairly quickly.

That does not change the fact that they are designed for casual riders who ride slowly.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-16-19, 10:19 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

An upright city bike is shaped to accommodate the...

An upright city bike is shaped to accommodate the casual, non-athletic rider, traveling at a slow speed.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-13-19, 12:49 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Neither of those statements is true. Barring...

Neither of those statements is true.

Barring some physical abnormality, drops are comfortable on a properly fitted bike.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-12-19, 12:29 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

"they should ride just like you" = further...

"they should ride just like you" = further hyperbole.

My "campaign" is to encourage cyclist to learn and practice time-tested skills. Born from spending too much time in emergency rooms and urgent...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-11-19, 06:43 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Thank you for injecting absurd hyperbole into a...

Thank you for injecting absurd hyperbole into a serious discussion.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-11-19, 04:00 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

What you are missing is that any cyclist can find...

What you are missing is that any cyclist can find themselves in a situation that warrants the hands-on-hooks position.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
10-11-19, 10:10 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

As long as you’re able to use all the positions,...

As long as you’re able to use all the positions, preferring one for most of the time is fine.

But if you never use the hooks, you won’t be able to access them when the conditions warrant.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-20-19, 07:43 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Written by someone who clearly has never lost...

Written by someone who clearly has never lost rear wheel traction at the start of the turn. The lost rear wheel traction started the sequence that ended in a crash. When a rear wheel skids, it is...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 07:47 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Given that most riding involves low speed riding...

Given that most riding involves low speed riding on straight roads with smooth surfaces, I agree.

But riding in drops, like braking inside a turn, increase control and safety under certain...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 07:33 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Optimal, shmoptimal. Just more fear mongering,...

Optimal, shmoptimal. Just more fear mongering, using different words.

For the vast majority of situations, there is no harm with braking in a turn. For many situations, refusing to brake in a...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 07:14 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

An alternate reality is one that advise cyclists...

An alternate reality is one that advise cyclists not to brake on curves, thinking that is good advice.

Consider the the cyclist who finds debris around a blind turn. The right move is to apply...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 06:18 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Every safe driving course? Even the written...

Every safe driving course? Even the written course material from, say, driversed.com?


Curves

Reduce speed before entering the curve, and slowly lighten the pressure on the brake until...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 04:21 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

If your rear wheel starts to skid out during a...

If your rear wheel starts to skid out during a turn, your natural reaction is to turn towards the skid and straighten up, and your bike's path will straighten out. I've seen riders do this a couple...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 03:12 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

That is not what happens when you brake in the...

That is not what happens when you brake in the middle of a turn.

What does happen: the turn radius gets smaller. This in itself is a useful technique, especially when you come around a blind right...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 02:59 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

And you are incorrect. There are many very good...

And you are incorrect. There are many very good reasons to brake in a turn, with essentially no downside.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 12:12 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Okay, I'll try to explain it using only high...

Okay, I'll try to explain it using only high school level math.

When braking, there is a force generated on the tire-road interface that is in the direction of travel.

When turning, there is a...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 11:11 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

I don't measure my braking or cornering forces,...

I don't measure my braking or cornering forces, what a silly question. But I see what you're doing.

The trigonometry problem I presented used numbers to illustrate that even when approaching the...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 10:40 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Through feel, by acquiring braking skills at a...

Through feel, by acquiring braking skills at a young age, then practicing for a lifetime.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 10:16 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Wrong. Braking inside of a turn is not an unsafe...

Wrong. Braking inside of a turn is not an unsafe technique.

Stop perpetuating a myth.



Going slower is always a good idea, if you are unsure of your skills. But telling people never to brake...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-19-19, 10:10 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Straw man fallacy. Once more, braking in...

Straw man fallacy.

Once more, braking in corners is safe, at low speeds and near the limits of traction. They physics of that is clear.

Say you're in the middle of a 0.9g turn, and you apply...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-18-19, 02:59 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

I submit that if you are able to coast through a...

I submit that if you are able to coast through a curve without braking, you scrubbed off more speed than you needed to before the turn, and your exit speed is lower than it could be. That’s true for...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-18-19, 09:05 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Excellent article, thanks for posting.

Excellent article, thanks for posting.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-18-19, 08:57 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

And here you come out saying "braking while...

And here you come out saying "braking while cornering is a bad idea and should be avoided if at all possible".

You are incorrect.

Every skilled descender brakes into curves. It is not only...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-18-19, 08:48 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Incorrect, on both accounts. Experienced...

Incorrect, on both accounts.

Experienced descenders--including pros--brake into curves. So does every race car driver. The technique even has a name: trail-braking. It involves braking hard as you...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-17-19, 05:10 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Not true. The fastest technique through turns is...

Not true. The fastest technique through turns is by braking into the apex.

Braking at maximum lean

For braking in a curve, take the example of a rider cornering with good traction, leaning at...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-17-19, 11:17 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

I find the opposite: increased braking in a turn...

I find the opposite: increased braking in a turn reduces the turn radius, and getting off the brakes in a turn increases the radius. Unless I adjust the steering (and lean angle) to compensate.
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-17-19, 11:11 AM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

I count 4 positions on drop bars. Two that have...

I count 4 positions on drop bars. Two that have access to braking and shifting:
...
Forum: General Cycling Discussion
09-15-19, 05:33 PM
Replies: 801
Views: 99,390
Posted By terrymorse

Climbing out of the saddle with hands in the...

Climbing out of the saddle with hands in the drops -- that's one position I can never figure. Seems much easier to stand and climb with hands on the hoods.

Then again, Pantani seemed to like that...
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