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07-13-19, 07:00 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

I see that you "have modified" your point of view...

I see that you "have modified" your point of view a bit, over the last few years...:thumb: and , I am actually IN agreement with the 750 watt motorised bicycles with throttle allowed on bicycle...
07-08-19, 06:29 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

OK, This is my LAST post on here, unless someone...

OK, This is my LAST post on here, unless someone asks a specific Q directed at me... Before I get … :banned:

My "theory IS" already out there...

Walking for 10 Hrs; an average person goes 50Kms...
07-07-19, 06:03 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

The same thing that stopped the mopeds from being...

The same thing that stopped the mopeds from being considered a bicycle... Too much power/speed, and not really needed to be pedaled to be operated as a bicycle,... After a certain amount of time, and...
07-07-19, 05:54 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

UNFORTUNATELLY, that is not the rule, The Legal...

UNFORTUNATELLY, that is not the rule, The Legal limit is 750Watts/28MPH...and then there is the "off road versions" I actually understand most peoples "fears/mistrust" of E-Bikes. Because here in N....
07-07-19, 05:00 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

Exactly... and... By the way, nobody, said a...

Exactly... and... By the way, nobody, said a motor was the same... What is being said is that, mechanical efficiency, rolling efficiency aero efficiency and so on ends up doing/being, the same...
07-06-19, 09:40 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

It's you who is reducing things to it's lowest...

It's you who is reducing things to it's lowest denominator, a wheel chair is NOT the same as riding an E-bicycle with 30% assistance...

As far as the 30% becomes 40% then 50%, yes that can...
07-06-19, 08:38 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

But, wait a minute... If a 30% assistance level, ...

But, wait a minute... If a 30% assistance level, allows you to ride a bicycle for what ever,... Lets say 10 miles and you actually ride/pedal the bicycle 7 miles, or 20, miles and you actually...
07-06-19, 07:21 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

WOW, it seems that some of the people on here, ...

WOW, it seems that some of the people on here, think they are superman material... :thumb: It's great in a way that you think that, ;) at whatever your age IS, 55, 65, 75, or what ever you are, you...
07-05-19, 09:16 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

YES, that IS true, the more assist you use the...

YES, that IS true, the more assist you use the less benefit you will get.... BUT, it still beats sitting on a couch and watching TV... ;)
07-05-19, 05:25 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

Most also have pedalec, BUT, guess what, most...

Most also have pedalec, BUT, guess what, most pedalecs are just rotation sensors... In other words just a throttle, as they do not, have pressure sensors, So, a "pretend pedaling" effort, or a full...
07-04-19, 08:06 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

Back pedalling... Ha, Ha... that's funny. No, I...

Back pedalling... Ha, Ha... that's funny. No, I just see both sides of the "problem"... and, IMO have settled on the EU, definition of what a bicycle is, or more like what an E-Assist bicycle...
07-04-19, 07:44 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

Just because someone is pedaling does not mean...

Just because someone is pedaling does not mean they are putting any "effort" into pedaling... Some, maybe even most, PAS systems are rotation sensor types... NOT pressure sensor types,. Thus, they...
07-04-19, 07:30 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

Those type of E-Bikers are after speed, it's that...

Those type of E-Bikers are after speed, it's that simple, speed, and less effort to go those speeds... Moped riders, in other words, not bicycle riders, who want/need, a bit of "assistance". THAT,...
07-04-19, 06:56 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

and, I am sure I can provide 2X or more, as many...

and, I am sure I can provide 2X or more, as many E-Bikes that you can buy, that do, have throttles, as an option, compared to there IS no option of throttles... Which seems like none, of those...
07-04-19, 05:31 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

How about referring to them as E-Bikes... ???...

How about referring to them as E-Bikes... ??? :innocent: and... Guess what , everyone would know, exactly, what you are riding... :popcorn
07-04-19, 05:23 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

Mopeds ARE different... You don't actually NEED...

Mopeds ARE different... You don't actually NEED to pedal them, and... are subject to different rules, like insurance, licensing because of that minor FACT... Legal E-Bikes have different class...
07-04-19, 02:05 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

And I think you and many others are TOTALY...

And I think you and many others are TOTALY ignoring the obvious, Like I and radroad said...
"Now, try a second experiment with a standard bike. Measure your watts vs speed while walking or running...
07-04-19, 09:04 AM
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Posted By 350htrr

WOW, another outside of the box thinker... :thumb:

WOW, another outside of the box thinker... :thumb:
06-30-19, 09:23 AM
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Posted By 350htrr

As far as I know, all you needs do is rotate the...

As far as I know, all you needs do is rotate the crank, the RPM or the amount of pressure onto the pedals doesn't make any difference as to how much assist the motor puts out... The assist level...
06-28-19, 06:59 PM
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Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

WOW, That article is... right on the money......

WOW, That article is... right on the money... :thumb:
06-22-19, 07:05 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

....But an e-bike .... An e-bike .... an e-bike...

....But an e-bike .... An e-bike .... an e-bike ..... [/QUOTE][/I]

I recommend including pedal-assist nomenclature each & every time one refers to 'e-bike' - IMHO it tends to reduce (but certainly...
06-20-19, 06:19 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

Broad definition...??? I don't think so, a person...

Broad definition...??? I don't think so, a person only has a certain amount of energy, (I need to stop, or I will die energy criteria) to blow on a single day, maxing himself/herself out... The...
06-20-19, 02:22 PM
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Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

and... I agree with you 100%. Never said it...

and... I agree with you 100%. Never said it wasn't additional power... My point is both are assistance because most people could not would not ride a single speed because they don't have the energy...
06-20-19, 01:21 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

I never said that, But, some people on here seem...

I never said that, But, some people on here seem to think I did... What I said was, "the end result" is assistance, mechanical assistance or E-Motor assistance... I would wager my next pension cheque...
06-10-19, 06:51 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

Touché...

Touché...
06-10-19, 04:42 PM
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Posted By 350htrr

I never said it was "the same", What I said is...

I never said it was "the same", What I said is (tried to say) was that BOTH end up helping, (the overall "effect"... of the mechanical advantage or an E Motor) both are actually assisting, allowing a...
06-08-19, 08:13 PM
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Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

and... I would/do agree with you , most cyclists...

and... I would/do agree with you , most cyclists do think that way... Thing is, that I know, there actually IS a difference whether one must pedal to get anywhere, or one can just push a throttle and...
06-08-19, 06:58 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

The big deal is, that some of us E-Assist riders...

The big deal is, that some of us E-Assist riders still consider ourselves riding bicycles, with some assistance, Yes, from an Electric motor, instead of gearing, ( mechanical advantage) but we still...
06-06-19, 07:29 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

and... That is basically why I "hate"...

and... That is basically why I "hate" throttles... You are now riding a moped, not, a bicycle with some assistance, once you do not need to pedal the bicycle it is/has become a moped... :innocent:...
06-05-19, 08:40 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

One could say that... One could say that...

One could say that...

One could say that too...

One could also say that, but one could also be wrong/mistaken... :innocent:
05-31-19, 03:51 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

That is exactly what I have been trying to get...

That is exactly what I have been trying to get across to people here, E-Assist bikes make it fun to ride in difficult situations, and you will still get a lot of exercise, if you don't use the...
05-05-19, 07:20 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

WTF does this have to do with riding an E-assist...

WTF does this have to do with riding an E-assist bike that you must pedal and the assist cuts out at 32KMs/Hr...??? :troll:
04-27-19, 05:38 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

Ding, ding, ding,... on the other hand, there are...

Ding, ding, ding,... on the other hand, there are E-assist bikes where you have to pedal, and are thus a different breed. IMO and no, they are NOT bicycles per say, but they are E-Assist bicycles......
03-31-19, 10:26 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

Yep. A Torque sensor is the way to go when...

Yep. A Torque sensor is the way to go when getting an E-Bike to keep the feel of riding a "real" pedal bicycle... ;) Which you actually are/would be riding as pedaling is a must to get anywhere... ...
03-30-19, 10:20 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

Getting an E-Assist bike is not necessarily about...

Getting an E-Assist bike is not necessarily about not being able to climb hills, at least not for me. It's about having fun while climbing the hills and riding a bike normally when you can... :thumb:
03-29-19, 06:00 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

Yes, there are different regs in different...

Yes, there are different regs in different states... BUT my point was, was trying to be, that it is easier to except a 350 watt E-Assist bike without a throttle that you MUST pedal, as a bicycle to...
03-29-19, 01:40 PM
Replies: 275
Views: 28,347
Posted By 350htrr

That's probably because over here in N. America...

That's probably because over here in N. America the standards are 750 watts instead of 250 or 350 watts and no throttle, a huge difference in what "assist" is "available"... JMO
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