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Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 09:31 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

M'kay. cya.

M'kay. cya.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 07:58 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Well, the sports governing bodies have decided...

Well, the sports governing bodies have decided the ethics one way. The professional ethicists have decided the same thing. Not sure what to tell you. I'm not going to write an academic paper just for...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 07:28 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

One topic I teach is sports ethics. One topic I...

One topic I teach is sports ethics. One topic I teach in sports ethics is trans and intersex athletes and the ethics of it. Science matters, but it's not merely a scientific question. It's an ethical...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 06:25 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

What you're worried about has never happened, and...

What you're worried about has never happened, and is likely never to happen. It's not worth the social ostracism trans people face.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 06:14 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I gave you the CAS. Off you go. And that...

I gave you the CAS. Off you go.

And that the IOC/UCI is caving to political correctness is...laughable if it weren't so sad that you think that.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 05:59 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Also, read through the entire Dutee Chand...

Also, read through the entire Dutee Chand decision to see the state of the research on testosterone and performance: http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/award_internet.pdf

Cliff's notes:...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 05:55 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

A more balanced post:...

A more balanced post: https://cyclingtips.com/2016/12/paving-the-way-for-transgender-cyclists-the-story-of-jillian-bearden/

And you've got the physiology wrong: trans women show the same...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 05:52 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Really? Saying that it's bad for women's cycling...

Really? Saying that it's bad for women's cycling that trans women are allowed to compete? That we should just do away with women's events now?
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
01-07-17, 05:45 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Wow, guys. Calm down. Check the transphobia at...

Wow, guys. Calm down. Check the transphobia at the door, please.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-13-16, 11:06 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

There's nothing healthy about being an elite...

There's nothing healthy about being an elite athlete.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-11-16, 11:26 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Actually, anti-doping agencies don't even really...

Actually, anti-doping agencies don't even really know why they oppose various means of doping. Their reasoning is often contradictory and inconsistent. I'm working on a paper on this.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-24-16, 06:18 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Two things: many people read things into my...

Two things: many people read things into my comments that weren't there, including condenscension.

At a point, condescension may have been present because I got sick of the gross...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-24-16, 05:34 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

A review article:...

A review article: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bri9dh8a2c5a8jt/Promising%20Practices%20-%20Working%20with%20Transitioning-Transitioned%20Athletes%20in%20Sport.pdf?dl=0

[Note that no study on trans...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-21-16, 07:16 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I'm going to bow out at this point. One topic I...

I'm going to bow out at this point. One topic I work on is expert testimony; and, more specifically, how people retain false beliefs in the face of counter evidence. I see many signs in this thread.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-20-16, 07:50 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Let's put it this way: the balance of the...

Let's put it this way: the balance of the evidence suggests, strongly but not conclusively, that trans women do not retain competitive advantages after transition.

I think that is accurate.
...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-20-16, 07:29 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

The sorts of evidence y'all want doesn't exist in...

The sorts of evidence y'all want doesn't exist in some neat and tidy package. Trans women's athletic performance pre vs post transition has barely been studied. Other things have, though. For...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-20-16, 07:11 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I am primarily an epistemologist. I work on what...

I am primarily an epistemologist. I work on what constitutes knowledge. We say that evidence-supported beliefs are gradable: some are stronger supported than others. What I'm saying is that there is...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-20-16, 07:06 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Dude, I'm not going to do that. That's a lot of...

Dude, I'm not going to do that. That's a lot of work on my end that could be done on your own. If it just involved linking to a single article or bibliography, I'd be very happy to do so.

Here's...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-20-16, 05:57 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I'm not talking about that one (very good) study...

I'm not talking about that one (very good) study on athletic performance pre vs post transition. I'm also referring to the many studies on various physiological changes to: bone density, musculature,...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-20-16, 12:24 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

But this is important, your 'reasoning' is what...

But this is important, your 'reasoning' is what most everyone does...and so it's important to take heed of the science, which says that the 'advantage' goes away for transitioned athletes.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 09:06 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Do I have any such links to studies? I linked the...

Do I have any such links to studies? I linked the only one that I know exists in print (and I know the literature well). Worley has told me that there will be more coming out soon based on all the...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 08:47 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

*thumbs up* Yep, looks like we do.

*thumbs up* Yep, looks like we do.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 08:39 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

This begs many physiological questions (in the...

This begs many physiological questions (in the fallacy sense). Trans women have many physiological disanalogies with the men in these studies. The two cases are not the same, even remotely.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 08:38 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Shows how closely I follow basketball. I picked...

Shows how closely I follow basketball. I picked Curry because I was watching Olympics coverage where he was LOL-taller than the Argentinian(s) guarding him.

I certainly do recognize that the mean...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 08:17 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

You're most welcome! It's an area of expertise,...

You're most welcome! It's an area of expertise, and I'm very happy to share it. I think a lot of the opposition to trans women's sports participation is based on simply not knowing the science of it...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 08:04 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

A couple comments. First, it's the first study of...

A couple comments. First, it's the first study of its kind that's *longitudinal.* That's a very big deal. N=8 isn't huge, but it's a tiny population. Trans women athletes aren't very common. So...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 06:42 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

There are two important things. First and...

There are two important things. First and foremost (and most directly to your totally appropriate question): all the science shows that they lose those features you name. Muscles atrophy, recovery...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-19-16, 06:00 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Just an FYI, just use 'trans' (or less preferred,...

Just an FYI, just use 'trans' (or less preferred, 'transgender'), but trans people really disprefer 'transgendered' (that's like saying 'lesbianed').

Trans men are permitted currently to compete...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 01:34 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I think you've crossed into being disingenuous....

I think you've crossed into being disingenuous. You're ascribing extreme claims that I never made. For example: I never said it should be 'readily available.' I've made my arguments.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 11:38 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

We already have a term for it: adverse effect...

We already have a term for it: adverse effect discrimination. It's when there's a policy that's 'fair' on its face, but discriminatory in effect.

But you're suggesting that while the rule is...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 10:42 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

A small amount of testosterone is also extremely...

A small amount of testosterone is also extremely common as part of menopausal HRT.

E and P are permitted with no restriction.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 09:57 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

This took all of 2 seconds to Google: ...

This took all of 2 seconds to Google:
http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/TUE_guidance_androgen_deficiency_male_hypogonadism-testosterone.pdf
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 09:49 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

In USADA's TUE guidelines for testosterone. It's...

In USADA's TUE guidelines for testosterone. It's in there: men under certain conditions can get one, women can't under any.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 09:34 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

"Performance restoring": EXACTLY. That's exactly...

"Performance restoring": EXACTLY. That's exactly my argument. So it seems you agree.

USADA has a rule that women can't get a TUE for T. WADA has given at least one woman I know of a TUE for T.
...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 09:21 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Important point: women do age 'differently' with...

Important point: women do age 'differently' with respect to performance (on average) than men. Heck, Tina Pic is what, 50? And still crushing it in crits.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 09:05 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

The effects of long-term training aren't a...

The effects of long-term training aren't a medical condition, though. And it's not a health issue. Also, one's T levels wouldn't drop to an *unhealthy* level.

I think (as I said) that people...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 08:43 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

HRT for menopause isn't about pushing back into...

HRT for menopause isn't about pushing back into 'normal' for a young woman, though. It's about managing really rough symptoms like hot flashes, *ahem* dryness, and other stuff.

Here's an ethical...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 08:29 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

...serious question: are you opposed to all TUEs?...

...serious question: are you opposed to all TUEs? Because, that's what they are: therapeutic use exemptions for otherwise banned substances (due to 'performance enhancement'). Why single out T?
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 08:27 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

It's really not much (or at all) of an advantage...

It's really not much (or at all) of an advantage to take a little, though. My view is that people should be allowed to be healthy *and* compete. All our lines are arbitrary, but this line is based on...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 08:00 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

...for comparison, men *can* get a TUE for...

...for comparison, men *can* get a TUE for testosterone under some conditions...but women may not under any conditions. Double standard. Even if a woman has depressed testosterone from, say,...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-18-16, 07:57 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

My guess is she was given some HRT for menopause,...

My guess is she was given some HRT for menopause, and I think it's complete BS that women aren't allowed these for their health and well-being. I know a few menopausal cyclists who don't take these...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
03-30-16, 07:32 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I just learned that Monster energy drinks contain...

I just learned that Monster energy drinks contain something on the banned list...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
03-27-16, 06:50 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I bet this would go a long way. I'd allow an...

I bet this would go a long way. I'd allow an opt-in 2-3 months out from Nationals, though for those who decide later that they may go.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
12-19-15, 11:09 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Yeah, I'm talking about me and my wisdom teeth...

Yeah, I'm talking about me and my wisdom teeth surgery, not the dude in the post. :)
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
12-19-15, 06:27 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Noob question. What if one has, e.g., surgery and...

Noob question. What if one has, e.g., surgery and a doctor gives a small prescription for percocet (like 5 days worth and no refills). Does one get a TUE for that even if it's in the winter and one...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
12-10-15, 09:51 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Getting an endocrinologist? Nah, that's harder...

Getting an endocrinologist? Nah, that's harder than you're making it out. Getting some random family physician? Maybe easier...but that wouldn't count.

Is it impossible to find a corrupt endo to...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
12-10-15, 09:47 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Dude...wow. Read the first part of the sentence...

Dude...wow. Read the first part of the sentence "The impression I had before getting involved in this conversation" and then what comes after "Reading more about it, it seems like it's not that easy...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
12-10-15, 09:39 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

I think you misread GC's comments.

I think you misread GC's comments.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
12-10-15, 09:33 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

This is true for ANY policy. The mere possibility...

This is true for ANY policy. The mere possibility (or rare occurrence) of exploiting a policy shouldn't stop us. And getting an endocrinologist to document and sign off on a diagnosable medical...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
12-10-15, 09:25 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,855
Posted By canuckbelle

Armstrong didn't get a TUE. He got a backdated...

Armstrong didn't get a TUE. He got a backdated prescription, and there's PLENTY of reason to think that the UCI was knowingly engaging in foul play w/ that and Armstrong's failed doping tests.
...
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