Thanks RaleighSport, and yes I've looked at the MTB's on your 1st post. Sadly there are no model numbers on this bike anywhere and I have yet to find any information on them. Did find information about there BMX bikes that show the tubing used per model if you are interested in that info it's at
http://sekaibmx.wordpress.com/
Hoping to find something like that for the ATB / MB models or maybe somone here will know about these.