Originally Posted by
genejockey
BTW, for the OP - as someone above said, you'd benefit from learning how and when to shift. Also, you might benefit from spending time and effort on bike set up and maintenance. With the derailleurs and shifters set up properly, and shifted properly, you shouldn't find yourself stalling out and dropping the chain, pedal type notwithstanding.
OK, I won't take offense to your presumption that I'm an idiot and we'll just address the point. Even if I "learned to shift" and even if I spent time and effort on "bike set up and maintenance" and even if everything worked just perfectly. The point is that I still see no benefit, or at least minimal benefit, to me in the way and normal conditions in which I ride. But people are focusing on shifting and maintenance because that's easier than addressing what I said.
Originally Posted by
znomit
What is the point of this thread?
I’ve fallen a few times. The first was the traditional “just forgot” about three rides in. Another on the MTB trying to ride around an obstacle where I should have dismounted. The last one was after a long stint on MTB pedals I switched to my road bike and my muscle memory couldn’t handle the change in twist effort.
You should try MTB SPD. They’re easier to clip out of.
https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buy...spd-vs-spd-sl/
The point of my post really is to counter some of the cycling dogma. "Oh, you have to have this" or "you have to do that", or your not a real cyclist. I may be new to cycling, at least as a serious hobby (ain't no spring chicken here), but I've been around the block a few dozen times. I've learned *some* cyclists are some of the most clique-y people I've ever met. I have only been on the forum for a few months but I've seen new people come in and early on people are advising them to learn to ride clipped in so they think there's some life changing magic that happens when you start riding clipped in.
Originally Posted by
rsbob
“ I hate meeces to pieces”. Let’s debate the plural of Meece.
Have to agree the OP came to argue and even though there are excellent points made about learning how to properly use cleats in a safe environment and learning to downshift early on hills have fallen on deaf ears. People come to boards like this to learn from people with more experience and not to berate them because you personally disagree. This is not a good way to make friends or add credibility to future posts or discussions. I can understand getting mad because you fell, but hell we all fall when we first try them, just like learning to ride a bike, but we didn’t learn to ride a bike going up or down hills but on safe flats and with a fair amount of practice. Blame the equipment all you want but your lapse in judgment by not learning how to use them in a safe environment and learning to properly downshift before stalling is more at fault. I liken this to never having driven a stick shift and jumping into one for the first time and thinking you know how to drive it and then stalling it and stalling it trying to go up a hill and then declaring that all cars with sticks are bogus and that anyone who drives one has been duped and is an idiot because they want to be like race car drivers. It’s not the equipment its you and your attitude. And if you can provide one link to a credible study by a research institute or university about the lack of efficiency or efficacy compared to flats, I will be more than happy to read it.
Pedal what want but shaming everyone else who doesn’t agree with your point of view that have ages of experience just makes you look bad.
Rant on but your credibility is shot. And I could care less what pedals you do or do not use. To each their own.
How’s that flame suit holding up? You knew you would stir up a hornets nest but still you did it. All I can ask is why? Because you wanted to vent? With an audience of mostly men, that doesn’t go over real big.
Flame suit is fine. Thanks for asking. Some of it was venting. I was actually going to post a thread that was a little more well rounded after I finished my observations in a couple weeks. That last experience cut in to that schedule. I spent a half hour yesterday removing the SPD and Look pedals from all my bikes. Never again. And I'm happy to "look bad" to all those people with ages of experience. Judgement goes both ways, you know.
It's funny. I come here with an opinion contrary to cycling dogma and people treat me like I have never ridden a bike before. I took my training wheels off and slapped on a pair of Looks. Ya, that's what happened.
Originally Posted by
bampilot06
What’s the OP views on going Tubeless? Asking for a friend.
Don't know. Don't care.
Originally Posted by
freeranger
Really? Per your post: "What I see from it is there is a lot of expense and risk with very little benefit. I tried to determine when and who might benefit from clipping in and to be fair, I suppose if you do a lot of riding in the rain or snow or an oil storm(?) then I can see how keeping your feet clipped to the pedals could give you some reassurance. " Doesn't exactly sound like you find them useful for those (most of us) who ride iin mostly decent weather. I ride flats, but not saying those who aren't riding in "rain or snow or an oil storm" will find no benefit. Trying to hide the fact you think clipless are of no benefit by saying "you do you" is lame at best.
Judge however you want. Again, I'm OK with my opinion and those who disagree aren't bothering me in the least. Still here. Nobody is running me off.