What size frames is everyone referring to when they complain about the terrible new geometry?
I look at the largest size every time and I just dont see anything that is terrible compared to the old bike.
Stack is about 10mm taller.
Reach is the same.
Wheelbase is the same.
Chainstay is the same.
BB drop is the same.
HTA is about the same.
STA is slightly steeper.
If you looked at the old Endurace and thought 'I could race that', then why is this new one anything different?
I am guessing geometry in some of the smaller sizes changed dramatically because this thread is full of some salty takes.