I do have a couple pairs of "The Black Bibs" that are a few seasons old, and getting a bit long in the tooth. Slightly stretched, worn spots in the lower back etc. I use them exclusively on the trainer now, which is half (or more) of my riding anyway with a baby at home. Maybe a boutique brand would still be going strong? IDK, maybe I'll find out someday. Not in a rush to figure that our thought TBH, esp since they'd cost 2-3x as much.
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