If anyone is considering the double kickstand Esge stand then be careful when you cut down the legs to fit the particular bb height. The angle of cut is VERY important as otherwise it affects stability. It is also a good idea to buy the rubber feet for the feet as this increases the ground contact area and makes them more stable. Protect the frame with rubber before fitting as the clamp will remove the paint. Try to make sure the ground is nearly level or carry a flat piece of plastic/wood. Now having said all that I think they are great, so handy they become addictive. Weight= 300grams. George.