Originally Posted by rustymongrel

In all seriousness a T4 and likely a TK FRD with 28 spoke training wheels would be as fast or faster than a round tubed steel bike with race wheels.

An 808 vs a conventional alloy rim wheel is worth ~15w on the front and a little less on the rear.

The P4 on which the T4 is based was up to 20w faster compared to some competitors frames in 2009, the competitors being other contemporary carbon TT frames.