Thread: 52x36 vs 50x34
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Old 08-30-19, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
Let's talk for minute about actually riding a bicycle. For the sake of clarity, we'll (mostly) discard the hyperbolic nonsense associated with big chainrings, i.e what they can do above 35mph. Because I've tested this in practice-- coasting down a hill that is sufficiently steep to go 35mph requires zero watts. Accelerating up to say 37 or 38 miles an hour requires over 200 sustained watts just to combat air resistance. Unless there's a podium at the end of that descent, that's machismo gearing.

Instead I'll focus on "normal" riding. Let's take for example a CDC average male on a bicycle-- 5'9". 198lbs, on a 20lb bike. We will assume he has a reasonable degree of fitness, and can sustain 20mph on a level surface for a decent amount of time. This would be a 52/16 @ 80rpm or 52/18 @ 90rpm. This is roughly a 200 watt effort. The issue arises in that with any typical 11-25 or 11-28 cassette, he's already riding past the halfway point. He has 5 or 6 gears to allow him to go faster, but maybe 3 that allow him to go slower. To pace at say 17.5mph, he would have to be in 52/21, or shift to the small ring.

So outside of downhills, group sprints, or bursts of youthful exuberance, the 11, 12, 13, 14, and possibly 15 tooth cogs are just rotating mass for most of the ride. I'm always amused when people pooh-pooh the notion of 1X, then throw a 52 on the front which renders the bottom quarter of their cassette "downhill only." Let's not forget all of the two-wheeled titans that have to bolt on that 52 because they were spinning out their compacts-- I'm pretty much useless past 110rpm, which would be 41mph with a 52/11. That is a thing I've no desire to do. I don't even want to do it with a 50. I can't do it on the flats, and if the hill is steep enough, gravity can produce a whole lot more force than I can.

I of course speak only from my experience. I ride almost exclusively solo. I'm virtually always either going uphill or downhill. I do not actively seek out hills on most days, but have nevertheless recorded at least 400,000 feet of vertical every year I've ridden. I choose gears to go up the hill, and cash in on that effort by allowing gravity to do most of the work on the way down. I felt perpetually "between gears" with the 52.
Somebody gets it.

I've also out of curiosity downloaded the .gxp file a few times and thrown it into Excel. I then dragged a formula down the rows to calculate the estimated gear for each data point for a ride from the cadence/speed. GPS is a bit crap to do that instead of a wheel sensor, but whatever. It'll tell you that for most anyone anytime that the 11t and 12t get used maybe a total of 30 seconds per ride. More often than not it was in the 15/17 and above. Even for a compact.

I don't get why people like to argue this one between each other on the web when manufacturers are meeting consumer demand with how they kit their bikes they sell. If people want to try to call people out about the "hating on 53 and 52's" then they should head down to the LBS or call up Trek or Giant. They're the ones fitting compacts on most of what they sell these days.

The argument for compact is always regarding "the average user". Then the argument against always revolves around Kansas winds and blasting along at 40mph at 80rpm or descending some mythical local perfectly straight mountain.

This is why manufacturers are fitting compacts then leaving it up to owners to swap it out for a mid or a full. Because the compact serves more owners to start with.

Here you go: endurance models......compact
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bikes-defy-advanced

Race models.......mid:
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bi...anced-pro-disc
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bi...vanced-sl-disc

Some Treks.......
All...............wait for it.........compacts..........including some $10k Madone bikes and Emondas. Race bikes, compacts.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...olorCode=black

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...reenvisibility

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...Code=greendark
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