Originally Posted by
Jimidiguana
I’m choosing the group set for a bike build i’m doing so i’ll be buying it separately from the frame and other components.
If you're buying a new R3000 group, why not look into a used 5800 group on eBay or locally? To me, 5800 and onwards 105 groups are the ideal compromise of parts longevity versus performance, weight, and cost, and you can probably find a complete used 5800 group with low mileage for the same $$ as a new Sora group.