Too dangerous to ride on the road on socal (IMO), so I have my ideal off road bike: hardtail, steel frame, Fox fork, Thudbuster, BBS02 and Luna 52V battery. Been serving me well for four years. I have a Haibike (Yamaha) which languishes mostly since it's not fun (for me) to ride. It gets used as a back up. I'll be looking for a new bike when the manufacturers drop about 10 pounds from their current offerings, and don't have $7K price to get decent suspension.