Originally Posted by Califmike2003

Sorry that you're at the end of your comments yeah those are good bikes that Trek and that specialized I've actually gone and looked at both of them and rode them.

There are loads of people building Chinese carbon fiber bicycles or buying ones that are already made no you don't have a store behind you and you have to be careful on your selection of size but you get a heck of a lot more bike then you'll get here for the same price.

Their loads of reviews of people buying the frames and building them themselves are buying ones are already put together and having zero issues people think just because it's Chinese but actually a lot of the well-known frames that are here in the Western United States are actually made in China.

Well-known big name bike companies stuff is made in China they're not going to tell you which factory makes it.

But they're basically using the same mold that's that's used to make some of the more popular big name bikes and then they put their own name on it.

Yes there's a lot of junk that comes out of China to Broken frames broken seatpost broken handlebars I'm fully aware of that.

Yeah it's a hassle to send it back but it's not going to cost you anything to send it back and I've been on other forms of people that have these bikes and I've had zero issues or if there's issues it's so such something minor.

I'm not saying it's for everybody but I wrote a couple Carbon Fiber bikes and their ride way different than aluminum bikes and to get a carbon fiber bike here you're shelling out several thousands of dollars.

Don't get upset if I don't pick the bike that you put a link to and try to force your agenda on me I appreciate everybody's advice and I've listened to everybody's advice but in the end it's my choice.

I just happen to like that bike and it seems like a good price maybe I'll get burned and I'll learn a hard lesson and then maybe I won't maybe I'll have a really good bike.

But like I said I appreciate every linked to every bike that every person on here I appreciate all your suggestions I thought about building my own but by the time you get a frame and all the stuff you could have just went and bought a bike a good frame is five or six hundred dollars so I don't think that's the way to go on my budget.

And I'm learning as I go but some people on here I'm not going to name names just seemed upset if I don't buy the bike they're suggesting like I said I've considered them all I've even gone and road bikes that have been suggested on here I rode that Trek Aluma 3 and I wrote the carbon fiber version of it carbon fiber version is way better than the aluminum version but it's $3,000.

I think if you know where to get stuff from China there are amazing deals to be had their loads of people riding around on Chinese bikes that are carbon fiber a very good quality and they're happy as can be.

So I guess at this point I'm done posting cuz I I guess people are getting upset I'll just post the pictures when I get it thanks for all your help I really appreciate it.