I ordered another pair with top shelf chamois. I already had two pair. This pair was in a titanium color. I also ordered some of these
https://www.aerotechdesigns.com/mens...ke-shorts.html They have a heavier chamois. I have yet to use them. I realized, after I had been singing the praises of Aerotech on their Facebook group, that I'd forgotten to enter my discount code. I mentioned it to them an they happily credited my card. Good folks and a good company.