Tom, do you ever go to studded tires for the NY commute? I have used them in the winter for many years. That was a waste much of the time but occasionally water had gone across the road and frozen overnight. Then it could be a serious problem so I put them on in October and take them off according to the weather in N W Misery. I enjoy being the first in the snow some mornings. Once someone asked me if it was my tracks in town. It had snowed and they picked up an employee in town for work. I almost was a wise guy but it wouldn't have been helpful for me. One must be a sheepdog and not a sheep in my lifestyle and job. Be Well, Bluesfrog.