Originally Posted by
aggiegrads
Fortunately, most brands now publish stack and height measurements. It sounds like you want a bike with a large stack (which is the vertical distance between the bottom bracket and the top of the head tube).
The Salsa Fargo is one example of a very relaxed position, while the Salsa Warbird has a shorter stack for a gravel bike. Salsa Fargo in size Large has a 671mm stack compared with the Warbird which has a 622mm stack although both models have a 590mm effective top tube.
Maybe, but isn’t the height of the saddle over the handle bars really the key? I could be thinking about that wrong. Honestly, this is surprisingly confusing. And the problem is, in my city I mostly have access to major brands like Specialized (current bike is a Roubaix), trek, etc. No Marin anymore, really not many or any boutique brands.