Originally Posted by
gravelslider
And also" "A racy gravel bike and a touring would be the same bike."
Sorry, but I cannot agree. A Warbird (gravel bike) and a Marakesh (touring bike) have very similar geometries (for a given size), but have very, very different ride qualities. I think it is important to point out that apparently you have owned or ridden neither and you are making a statements about how the bikes ride by no more experience than comparing geometry charts. I have owned both and I can assure BF readers they both have a very different ride experience.
I hope you mis-typed something or that was terrible argument in our back and forth.
The Marakesh is a steel,thin tube, traditional geometry, with a short seatpost. The warbird is a compact geometry, carbon, fat tube, long seat post bike. The two bike have almost no geometry measures in common.