Originally Posted by Bah Humbug

Woof - I tend to think that an ultimatum (or threat) is the end, because it signifies that the person is not really committed. However, it's certainly better to give counseling a shot than just throw in the towel. My concern with counseling is always that you're just getting one more person's values in the mix, which may not work for EITHER person in the actual relationship. If it helps them get to an understanding, then great, but I'd always wonder why two people who are able to get to a good place can't figure it out on their own.

AG and I had some friction while getting used to each other, but not nearly like this couple. And it was before we got married; I don't understand how that changes things, because it didn't for us. We're not normal, though.