Originally Posted by RockiesDad

I'm drooling over the steel Strael 2.0 road bike at the moment. Shipping for a frame is $118 and about $297 for a complete bike to CA. Looks like on top of that there is duty to pay. The Ultegra build comes in at about $3200 or so. 105 build is about $350 cheaper. Frame only is about $1450 delivered with the Hope head set. Pretty good value except for shipping costs IMO. Thinking now if I want to do the build myself or just get the whole package said and done, ready to ride...

How does the Secan ride and handle? Is it different from the Black Mountain Monster Cross? Both are steel fat tired gravel type bikes. I'm riding a CF CX bike now so don't need another off road bike at the moment.

Nothing made in the USA catches my eye at the moment unless you go fully custom but that cost big buck$. I did see a Gunnar Sport frame in my size at a LBS but it was around 2012 model for about $1200. So that is another option but I was looking for something more modern. What to do....