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Old 10-10-23, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Arthur Peabody
But they don't seal.


That I put some time into it doesn't mean I expect anyone else to. I asked in case they had.


I don't know everything. I make mistakes.


There may be some substance I could paint on a tube that would decrease its permeability; I suspect something on the inside would be more effective, perhaps sealant. Tires aren't airtight.



Mine aren't.



I used in my example butyl rubber. I hope there are better substances.


I calculated theoretical air loss from first principles plus figures for the permeability of butyl rubber to nitrogen and oxygen from the NBS.


Yes. From the model of permeation the thinner the tube the more the permeation. There are thicker tubes too, usually sold as thorn-resistant.


I bet it doesn't work. You'd have to paint it on before you inflated it; the expansion would crack. I doubt FlexSeal would hold up to high pressures.
I think you’ve probably already spent more time writing this post, let alone finding out something you already knew - that tubes and tyres are not 100% airtight - than I have topping up air in the last 5 years.

But this statement
Air is permeable to butyl rubber at 2×10^-9 in units of cm, atmospheres, and seconds. (I rounded all these numbers.

seems wrong - I would have expected it to be in cm^3 for the air as well as the cm/mm for the rubber thickness

You can try adding some graphene platelets
https:/onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/pat.4958

or some plasma oxidation of the butyl rubber surface followed by vapour deposition of SiCl4
https:/patents.google.com/patent/WO2014094123A1/en

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