Originally Posted by mstateglfr

MUSA.
One is made in Portland and the other is made in Taiwan.

The forks look similar, but breadwinner's fork is made by a local builder in Portland, has the salsa 3 bolt mounts, and I'm guessing is 853 steel.

With breadwinner you get custom geometry, presumably lighter tubing, nicer looking dropouts, more paint options, design around 650 wheels, and more fork mounts.
Black Mountain gives you tubing that is still quality(heat treated 8/5/8) and 4 bottle mounts for a lot less money.


Not disagreeing with what I assume is your overall point- that the MCD is a really good value compared to the Groad, but there are differences that some may find important enough to want a Groad.

The welds on my canti black mountain are excellent looking, agree there too.
...but I don't love the limited MCD colors...and it's just olive oil in my size. That alone could push someone away and towards another frame.