Some people have a very narrow view of how thing should be and get totally bent out of shape when other people are saying thing that don't fit their view... Thus instead of talking with some reasoning they post totally unrelated crap to put down the ideas that contravenes their views, probably in the hopes of getting the tread closed and to stop any real discussion... JMO Just because "technically they are correct" that a motor is used, they totally ignore everything else and say stuff like E-Bikes take away from real bike touring, E-Bikes aren't bicycle touring, again technically correct, but as soon as one uses the term, "Touring on an E-Bike" it no longer is associated/or in any way competes with only human powered bicycle touring in most peoples minds, it's associated with E-Bike touring... Similar but different...