Thanks guys. I've tried nitrile gloves under my gloves (I use them to work on cars), but they didn't help much, in fact they may have made it worse by making my hands sweat and helping the heat leave my hands faster. Need a glove that will actually block the wind. Gonna check out some regular winter gloves at a few local stores, maybe I can find a pair that isn't too bulky. I especially want the windblock material to cover the thumb, I don't need to wipe my nose, I need for my thumb to not get frozen lol