Cycletography You've made one half heated and vague attempt since my last post to steer your thread to what you want to discuss. But then you continue to bash other for statements they made without knowing what this thread was supposed to be about.
You need to cool off and quit assuming and extrapolating their very basic statements into some false philosophy and false agenda. You seem to be bending simple statements into something I'd be sure they weren't intended.
How can anyone discuss anything when you and you alone seem to be on the attack of anyone you've decided is adverse to whatever you are wanting discussed.
You, I and no one else will have an open mind if you keep blasting others, which actually I consider means that you are "off-topic"