Originally Posted by mstateglfr

So $2400 for an overstock frame package from 6 years ago that cost $1800 when originally introduced.
https://bikerumor.com/2014/08/14/lem...hoe-road-bike/

The Washoe is light, thats pretty cool as its a rare day when production steel is that light. Everyone ends up overbuilding it to ensure morons can drop off rooftops and not blame the bike for injury.
It also isnt exactly cheap. There are quality stock steel frames that weigh 150-300g more, but cost $800-1200 less. Thats significant.
And there are quality custom frames that weigh the same and give you the geometry and/or brazeons you want, that are in this price range.

But there is a draw to certain brands/ideals/representations. I get it.