Originally Posted by Leisesturm

Might I observe that 'only' around 800 plus-ish cyclists were killed last year in any kind of collision with cars vs 40,000 plus-ish fatal car/car collisions. I have NEVER heard of a scofflaw cyclist being nailed, dead to rights, while committing a flagrant violation of a stop sign. When cyclists are hit they are proceeding on a green light or otherwise have right of way. I'm tired of these BS threads about cyclists 'blowing stop signs'. Well, duh, I'm not claiming they don't. What I don't believe is that they didn't scan and know that they were safe before doing it. I don't expect to change any minds but at least this thread is going to have some push back from the cyclist side, as it should, in a cycling forum!