Originally Posted by
europa
It all depends on the questions you ask. They can't lie and say it's the equivalent of Reynolds 725 when it was actually drawn out in a milking shed out the back end of China somewhere, and I'm sure you're smart enough to see through generalist comments that don't tell you anything such as 'butted tubes for outstanding ride'.
Generally speaking, good quality products have their manufacturer's name on them. 4130 tubing tells you stuff all ... so why are you imaging it'll be as good as any product from Reynolds or Tange?
You can also do a search (pause for shock and horror to subside) and discover what people on this forum have had to say about their All City bikes.
BTW, it's the middle of the night and I'm damned near dead with the flu so it's possible I'm not as diplomatic as I could be
Thanks Europa,
thats just just it, I almost feel like they're rebranding generic 4130 by calling it 612 select. I've heard only good things about the big block, which is what I'm interested in.
i draw a comparison to Tange and Reynolds because there are frame offerings from Soma and Wabi, respectably, within a very close price of the AC big block frame. I'm trying for figure out why they're so closely priced given the differences in quality (if any) of steel used.
anyway, feel better!