i want it more for my racing training bike set up , my commuter get what ever , i used butter once , its a beater , its ok but it doesn't get the treatment i give the race train bike , and on that bike i try to focus on an efficient set up , buying a product every few weeks gets annoying , i do over a 1000 miles a month on this bike i lube and clean almost every ride , but in this winter i got into the wax based lube , because i dont have to clean my entire drive train after a ride i can just wipe it down and apply more an it just flakes off as i ride ..