Originally Posted by
Mobile 155
You need to spend some time in a country where a majority of the people don't live any other way but to LCF. Then as you site at night and try to think things out you can wonder why so many of then dream of the day they can leve the ranks of LCF and join the modern world. I have been there and lived with them and I can tell you how things go. But you need to experience it for yourself. Then and only then will you understand China, Africa and India as they move into a world more like the us even with LCF stamped on their childhood and early life. Ask yourself why when someone has what you are trying to sell they give it away for something you are preaching against. I have listen to their dreams and your ideas are not them. And yes many of then live on dirt roads lined with trees.
It's unfortunate that with all the experience you seem to have, you don't have the ability to look at the details of situations instead of lumping all factors together as either 'modern' or 'primitive.' I've explained this to you before but you'll never get it because you don't want to do anything except validate industrialism in contrast to what it isn't.
Industrialism has been an amazingly fruitful learning experience. There are so many technologies we can continue to harness and refine to continue progressing into greater sustainability. What seems to bother you is that doing so might mean using these technologies and energies more surgically in order to let more land host living soil and organisms the way it evolved to. You can't seem to grasp that we have reached a point with technology that we can deal with the problems caused by living ecology, such as insects and other pests/diseases. You can't seem to appreciate the fact that modern science gives us the ability to understand living organisms as complex networks of nano'tech' that utilizes latent heat and sunlight to power processes that perform productive labor for us. I'm not just talking about growing food and wood but also to clean the air and water and absorb CO2 from the air and use it to produce shade that cools the air and keeps ground moisture from evaporating away.
All you ever do is debate what is plain to see for many generations of people who see how nature is and always has been sustainable. Why you imagine that ever-expanding industry is sustainable and that ecological processes made of living organisms isn't I can't understand. Yes, I understand that humans are capable of harming the life around them even when they LCF, but why can't you see that overuse of industrial power, including driving and its infrastructure, is also damaging and that sustainability can't be achieved without significantly reducing the amount of cars and pavement?