Old 07-09-18, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cs1

I agree about the standards. Not too sure on the Surly part. Like a lot of categories Surly invented them or at least brought them to mainstream.
Yes Surly started it all, now they've fallen way behind. Surly bikes more or less ceased to exist on any trails in my area these days.
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