Originally Posted by
mstateglfr
i dont ride a ton of gravel when its wet out, but having more than a credit card of clearance is needed for the gravel roads i ride even with its dry. ...
OK, I guess there was a genuine misunderstanding here.
Wife has a road bike which I crammed in 38mm tires with essentially no clearance.
My gravel/road bike has the same tires with plenty of clearance (although maybe not 4mm).