Originally Posted by Metieval

Or the SRAM lovers just don't know what good is. which is the point I was making. Even my old worn out shimano XT is better than the new SRAM stuff.

I have XT on 2 bikes, my road bike is di2. the new to me mtb is SRAM and I hate it, even with new SRAM components.

My previous road bike was shipped with KMC, I swapped it for a shimano and the Shimano chain over the KMC was a huge change for the better.

Shimano is smooth , and quiet in my experience.