Originally Posted by
HTupolev
I think the Vaya's marketing straddles both categories. Salsa calls it both "gravel" and "light touring."
The journeyman is also marketed as "light touring" while the renegade says "bike packing". Bike packing is cooler way of saying light touring. I think all bikes in this category are marketed like this.
The whole category has a lot of overlap with a variety in chainstay lengths. I think what dwmckee is saying is that if they called 90's touring bikes (for example) by a different name, like all road, the category would be mature.