Unfortunately I cannot ride my DF again. Neck injury. However, I rode many years in group rides, and I loved them. I remember one ride leader that finally posted the real ride speed ' He posted that this ride would be "Balls To The Wall". Nothing like the truth. Another post said it was no drop, which meant that if you leave a piece of clothing at the start, if you do not come in within 24 hours they will send out blood hounds. As I said, there is nothing like telling the truth.