Indexed vs Friction Shifters
06-09-23, 11:36 AM
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A case can be made that "obsolete" isn't really correct. (SurferRosa failed to make that case.) "Niche" is a better word. Friction shifters are still being made and are still useful. They just aren't popular.
"Obsolete" is pejorative (unnecessary and unhelpful here), which is why its use twisted some people's knickers.
"Obsolete" is pejorative (unnecessary and unhelpful here), which is why its use twisted some people's knickers.
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A case can be made that "obsolete" isn't really correct. (SurferRosa failed to make that case.) "Niche" is a better word. Friction shifters are still being made and are still useful. They just aren't popular.
"Obsolete" is pejorative (unnecessary and unhelpful here), which is why its use twisted some people's knickers.
"Obsolete" is pejorative (unnecessary and unhelpful here), which is why its use twisted some people's knickers.
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A case can be made that "obsolete" isn't really correct. (SurferRosa failed to make that case.) "Niche" is a better word. Friction shifters are still being made and are still useful. They just aren't popular.
"Obsolete" is (somewhat) pejorative (unnecessary and unhelpful here). Which is why its use twisted some people's knickers.
"Obsolete" is (somewhat) pejorative (unnecessary and unhelpful here). Which is why its use twisted some people's knickers.
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06-09-23, 11:39 AM
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06-09-23, 11:40 AM
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No. They work fine for some current applications. "Archaic" also has a pejorative taint that isn't necessary or helpful here. "Niche" is the word people should be using.
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06-09-23, 12:04 PM
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I dunno. "Niche" sounds pretty damn precious, to me.
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Folks arguing with each other over the application of specific words is typically a pretty strong sign that useful discussion on the original topic has ended. 
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Did I say this particular OP was trolling? No. I said the new weird as you yourself put it, is a fact that is preyed upon by trolls and sock puppets. That has been true in many cases. Some trolls are legitimate members, and others are sock puppets who take delight in what you call weird responses to thread questions.
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I think of friction downtube shifters as being old school. I use them in part to keep faith with people whom I liked and respected and who taught me a long time ago about the ins and outs of riding in a pack, who taught me about gluing tubulars, and who taught me how to build a bike.
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As a confirmed proponent of downtube friction, I'll side with those who favor "archaic." I used the term to describe myself, so why not my shifters?
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Did I say this particular OP was trolling? No. I said the new weird as you yourself put it, is a fact that is preyed upon by trolls and sock puppets. That has been true in many cases. Some trolls are legitimate members, and others are sock puppets who take delight in what you call weird responses to thread questions.
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Did I say this particular OP was trolling? No. I said the new weird as you yourself put it, is a fact that is preyed upon by trolls and sock puppets. That has been true in many cases. Some trolls are legitimate members, and others are sock puppets who take delight in what you call weird responses to thread questions.
I literally quoted you, in this thread.Who are the "sock puppet trolls" in this thread? If there aren't any, why the heck are you talking about them?
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06-09-23, 12:32 PM
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OMG, I did. I quoted your comment regarding the weird responses, and simply said it is the new normal here, and that new normal is preyed upon by troll and sock puppet accounts. Now, that is a fact, and is was simply a response to your assertion that the responses are weird, as is the original question, in your own words. I never said, nor insinuated that anyone else mentioned sock puppets or trolls. Does that cover it, or should I throw in the word obsolete. No need to respond, and please don't. Your last two responses show me I really don't care to hear from you ever again. It's pointless, so... I will not be able to see them anymore. Carry on arguing with someone else.
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OMG, I did. I quoted your comment regarding the weird responses, and simply said it is the new normal here, and that new normal is preyed upon by troll and sock puppet accounts. Now, that is a fact, and is was simply a response to your assertion that the responses are weird, as is the original question, in your own words.
Who are the sock puppet trolls in this thread?I never said, nor insinuated that anyone else mentioned sock puppets or trolls. Does that cover it, or should I throw in the word obsolete. No need to respond, and please don't. Your last two responses show me I really don't care to hear from you ever again. It's pointless, so... I will not be able to see them anymore. Carry on arguing with someone else.
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Just curious what people prefer around here. Seems like the benefits of frictions lie in replacability, simplicity and fine-control, whereas indexed shifters are typically considered easier to use as the ubiquitous "modern standard". I'm still new to all this though so correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't tried a friction shifter yet but will be doing so tomorrow, but I did try an STI shifter for the first time today, it was pretty cool so I'm curious how the old reliable friction shifter compares.
Anyways, just curious what people's thoughts are on shifters.
Anyways, just curious what people's thoughts are on shifters.
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