WhyFi

Who's doing that?

save10

there are people who will definitely buy it. And when they find out you are making fun of them on an online forum that only a microfraction of the world cares about, they will have their billionaire husbands buy the company you work for and fire you.

dalava

Ok. I don't get it.

Myosmith

$11,000 carbon fiber single-speed and it weighs 24# = Fail

WhyFi

Reading = Fail. It's a belt-driven internally geared hub, 8 or 11-speed.

I would also bet that the weight is based on the Dutchie model and that the 'Sportif' model is lighter than 24 lbs. Speaking of the Sportif, I'd give it an unreserved 'Hot.'

velocity

Good luck on a big sales season.

RPK79

Ah, I see you must have gotten hung up on the word "alone". You were attempting to justify the high price of this item with the cost of the molding process and the low run volume. That's simply not the case.

You say the molds cost tens of thousands; but for argument's sake lets say the mold is $2,000,000.00. Doing a cursory internet examination of carbon fiber manufacturing I see that the actual materials that go into these frames is actually fairly cheap, the expense in manufacturing comes from the machine capital and the labor (although Taiwanese labor isn't all that expensive). They are farming the actual manufacturing out to a company that makes bike frames so they don't have to spread the overhead of those machines out over the small lot of bikes. I imagine there is less than $2,000 in materials, labor, and overhead going into each bike (and that's being conservative). So, if they make 1,000 bikes and $2,000 cost of the mold and $2,000 cost of the manufacturing get added together that comes to $4,000. $4,000/11,000 is a 36% margin which is pretty damned healthy, and that is using inflated costs. They wouldn't be buying an expensive bike they would be buying an expensive label.

WhyFi

Context is important in comprehension - I was rebutting the assertion that the low production volume had NO affect on the price. Go back, re-read.

You should do more than a cursory search. It's not a case of 'CF is CF is CF' and Time is an anomaly in bike manufacturers - they weave their own tubes of CF as opposed to buying pieces of pre-preg.

Time's manufacturing facilities are in France.

The manufacturer isn't the distributor/retailer - they both need to make money and your model assumes direct-to-consumer.

There's no disputing that the bikes would cost less without the Hermes label, but the assertions taking place in this thread are ridiculous.

RPK79

I will stick to that point alone then and use your own "tens of thousands" number for the molds. At less than $100,000 for the mold even if they only make 500 bikes off that mold that is only factoring in $200 per unit which is less than 2% of the final selling price.

Low production volume has very little affect on price.

WhyFi

*sigh* when the frames are hand-produced by a company has a total production volume of <90 frames per week, low production volume has a very real affect on price. Also, your numbers are comparing manufacturing dollars as a percentage of retail dollars - that don't work.

RPK79

Production per week doesn't matter. Total units produced with the mold is what matters. Percentage of sales dollars is a very common ratio. I assure you - it work.

TrojanHorse

Why is being rich "filthy" you Marxist name-caller you.



This thread is approaching that "my friend has 10k to spend on a bike, what should I tell her to buy" thread.

bobones

Meanwhile, back in the real world you can buy your girlfriend this 19kg beauty for around $400.
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/elops-5-2012-id_8202827.html

3alarmer

...doubles as a carbon filter espresso machine. Well worth it IMO.

WhyFi

Sweet, business owners the world around will be happy to know that time is a factor of no consequence - it'll give them a lot more breathing room.

So a production cost increase of X results in a retail price increase in X? Damn, business owners the world around will not be happy to know this.

rjones28 

This thread delivers.

Menel

Eww. Wrong use of carbon fiber.

Handmade, less than $11,000, stronger for usefulness.

https://www.lynskeyperformance.com/s...s/dsc_1229.jpg

3alarmer

+1.....I know a guy here who runs a bike food delivery business. I'm gonna forward a link in case he's interested.

dalava

Now that's a proper city bike.

Cue

You people have terrible taste in city bikes, almost as if you never ride a bike in a city and drive everywhere, ie. sunday riders.

This is a proper city bike, with proper chainguard, fenders, dynamo light front and back, rack, upright position, and kickstand.

phoebeisis

You should get a better bike for $11,000.
I'm guessing those $12,000 handbags are "THE BEST" at whatever makes a handbag "THE BEST"

THE BEST "Dutch Bike" shouldn't weigh 24 lbs.
They aren't getting "THE BEST"
which is why I brought up P T BARNUM
You should actually get THE BEST for $11,000
Like those $11,000 12 lb steel framed 27 speed bikes-they might be pointless-but they are THE BEST in some way you can measure-other than price.
You should get the DUTCH BIKE equivalent for $11,000
Hell safe bet the $11,000 12 lb steel frame bike builder could build a "Steel framed" BEST DUTCH BIKE that would be well under 24 lbs.
It would look better too-nice thin tubes-use 853 paint it milk white if you like-
or paint it some GOOD COLOR- black reds cobalt blue some greens some yellows some orange colors milk white??

Pointless to have a CF frame if the bike is going to weigh 24 lbs!!

dalava

This looks less comfortable than the Lynskey....all the stuff you mentioned to make this MORE of a city bike than the Lynskey are actually stuff you are easily put on yourself.

SpeshulEd 

I doubt the bags are that great. I had a real Louis Vuitton duffel that I used as my carryon...I was flying back to AZ from MI and had a laptop, ipad, change of clothes and some other crap in the bag...as I was getting on the plane, one of the handles detached from the leather (bad stitch job) and the bag dropped from my hand...not that big of a deal, but when you drop that kind of money on a bag, you expect it to last a lifetime. The $40 duffel I replaced it with is still going strong.

A gas station attendant ripped my gucci wallet trying to get my id out a couple of years ago.

Name brand/luxury brand expensive items are still crap in the long run, they just have a fancy label.

Ghost Ryder

It Friday... TGIF!!!
Are the winter/autumn blues really that bad for all of you?
I'm glad it a pretty nice today! Nice but cool commute in the morning, but it looks like it will be dry commute home.
Get out & ride you bikes, instead of wasting time on these things.

Why are we still talking about these "fashionista fixies"?
The only people who would consider purchasing these tanks would socialites or heirs to family fortunes.
In fact Hermes would probably give them to these folks for free, to help sell them.
Isn't that how it works for rich folks?

We can all agree none of us will be purchasing any of these here in the 41.
Please let this thread die already, it pointless really.

Cue

The cannondale I posted requires no extraneous shopping for accessories or add ons. That lynskey isn't a proper city bike, the frame isn't even built for internal gears/single speed setup, you're just mesmerized by the "lynskey" branding. You don't know what a proper city bike is.