njkayaker

That's because you kept missing it (I said it a couple of times).

livedarklions

Keep in mind he's accusing us of being "too careless" about it and "too seriously invested" in it at the same time (I'm only seeing this because people are quoting him), For some reason, this guy loves these "heads I win, tails you lose" arguments about literally nothing. Neither you nor I have said that it is a serious proposal, so he's just being disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable.

If it's not a serious proposal (which has been our point all along), why are we supposed to look at it so carefully for any hint the guy has actually sorted out the very obvious basic problems with the design? If the designer had actually solved them, he'd make that obvious. I see no plausible turning mechanism on that thing, only some things that might charitably be described as "they might be pivot points, but their placement makes no sense." Also notice that the model and the renderings are awfully vague about the nature of the interface between the gearing and the "tire", and there's absolutely no discussion of what that "tire" is made of.

A person can only scold people for seriously considering things that aren't worth discussing once. Any more and then they're obviously seriously discussing the thing they're saying is not worth seriously discussing.

I'm taking the thing apart because it's fun to and I find it weird and comical that a 13 year old bad idea is surfacing as some "cutting edge" design proposal. That's the extent of my "investment".

70sSanO

This is the most correct statement. This bike was designed as a beach/city cruiser. There is no way it measures up as a beach cruiser.

How can you get the wheels be out of true by at least 1/2”?

There is no provision for a chain to rub against a chain guard.

The handlebars are set far too aero and the seat fails in every instance.

And don’t get me started on not being able to rust.

Nobody I know would ever ride this bike at the beach.

John

njkayaker

You were careless.

You were careless not to see it as obviously not-serious.

Anyway, you are putting words in my mouth. I said you should look at it more carefully. Instead, you didn't really look at it at all and went into the weeds about it not having steering.

njkayaker

"Designed" really isn't the appropriate word here.

Unichris called it "fanciful" (or something).

It's an ad for a 3D printer (apparently).

downhillmaster

Haha, more ‘quotes’ from your ignore list? You seem to feel the need to explain that quite often.
Good stuff. You appear to have a lot of fans and a lot of peeps on your ignore list.
I don’t feel so honored anymore

livedarklions

Oh, good, the rest of the pointless troll fleet has arrived.

I'm sure passenger seat master will bring a great depth to this conversation.

Troul 

seriouzly hope that design flops like some extra long cable housings. Cantz evenz steer that thing let alone waive at someone without potentially crashing.

70sSanO

Or D.A.R.E.

John

livedarklions

So rather than continuing beating this particular imaginary dead horse, let's see if there's something actually worth discussing here. I went back and plucked this quote because that actually sounds like an interesting topic. Does anybody have any experience or knowledge about actual AWD bikes and how well (or not) that they work? I threw up a link about someone who actually was using them, but I don't think I've ever actually seen one, let alone tried it out.

70sSanO

There are dual motor AWD e-bikes. The most important part is wiring both motors correctly.

I guess a unicycle…

John

unterhausen

Someone was selling awd bikes that used an elaborate chain drive to power the front wheel. I'm not sure I'm convinced anyone needs awd. Seems like if it's steep enough the front wheel will be unloaded and the fwd isn't really going to help. The bike in the OP is pretty cool, but I wonder what they did to get another round of clickbait articles about it.

Kapusta

You are confusing "missing" with "ignoring".

Maybe try a larger font and all caps?

njkayaker

Both are careless.

2old

As far as the AWD concept (and this may already have been referenced), Christini has been doing it commercially for a long time. While there are merits, IMO, they are supplanted by the extra weight and complexity. Perhaps they're worth it on an electric bike and/or where the terrain doesn't offer good traction (snow, ice, mud, whatever).

Kapusta

livedarklions

I think e-bikes are a different question as you can increase the power of the motor(s). The issue for pedal bikes as I see it is you're just dividing the same motor output between what are essentially two drive trains, with the added efficiency losses from the second transmission.

livedarklions

Repeating the same phrase again and again mindlessly is his thing.

livedarklions

The article I linked to in post 50 is about Christini's bikes. He's primarily moved into powered bikes.

2old

Thanks and sorry I didn't read all the responses.

livedarklions

Wait, you're not hanging on my every word? How dare you?! LOL. Thank you for perhaps the most unnecessary apology I've ever received.

I think that article probably proves you about right--good bikes if you're riding across Greenland, but too heavy and complex for non-extreme uses.

njkayaker

Yep, careless (even if you don't understand what it means).

You got PWND by a stupid ad.

Kapusta

Well by your own admission, you gave it more time and attention than I did. You even watched the Video.

njkayaker

????

So, you didn't watch the video and spouted nonsense about it anyway. Careless.

Must be pretty dark in than hole you keep digging yourself deeper in.

Kapusta

You keep saying this was not a serious proposal (even went all big font on it), yet you are taking this more serious than anyone else here.