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@globecanvas, 6 hours is really pushing the boundaries, I'd say. It's almost Carmichaelesque in its time-crunchedness. Speaking as a much older old rider, I'd doubt my ability to balance volume and intensity on so few hours.
(Disclaimer: I did Carmichael's 6-hour program once in an effort to get fit quick. It burned me out, I had to back off after about 10 weeks and revert to more of an 80:20 polarised regimen.)
(Disclaimer: I did Carmichael's 6-hour program once in an effort to get fit quick. It burned me out, I had to back off after about 10 weeks and revert to more of an 80:20 polarised regimen.)
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GB, 6 hours is right at what I would consider "minimum" for race fitness if you were doing shorter TT's or crits. Doubling up like that, especially if the race is hard is where I'd expect to see some struggles. If you were doing long road races or stage races, that's a really big ask.
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Beat The Clock TT- 24:12. 6th in Open Men's
TTT 23:03. 1st.
Rolling ten mile out and back with some sustained climbing. Winner went 23:10. Pretty stout field with a WC RR champ and several Nats podium folks. Guys in front of me were all younger 1/2's. Piled it on this week so legs were a bit stale, and a lack of warm up (my fault) didn't help much. Can't complain too much, it was a decent ride.
Ygduf and I did a 2 man TTT about 20 minutes later, went 23:03 which was fast time on course that day. Riding strong till a mile or so to go then the legs started to go soft. Sat on, took one more pull on the uphill finish. Crawled across the line.
2 months to Nats, things are on track for the most part. Some life stuff is dangling out there, hopefully it continues to swing in the breeze.
TTT 23:03. 1st.
Rolling ten mile out and back with some sustained climbing. Winner went 23:10. Pretty stout field with a WC RR champ and several Nats podium folks. Guys in front of me were all younger 1/2's. Piled it on this week so legs were a bit stale, and a lack of warm up (my fault) didn't help much. Can't complain too much, it was a decent ride.
Ygduf and I did a 2 man TTT about 20 minutes later, went 23:03 which was fast time on course that day. Riding strong till a mile or so to go then the legs started to go soft. Sat on, took one more pull on the uphill finish. Crawled across the line.
2 months to Nats, things are on track for the most part. Some life stuff is dangling out there, hopefully it continues to swing in the breeze.
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Nicely done, @Racer Ex. Now I feel guilty about riding with a hangover such that you had to pull pretty much the whole time.
In retrospect, we should have busted out the TT bikes so that you could show me how to do the TTT thing. Doh. It seems there's never enough time for all the cycling that needs doing.
In retrospect, we should have busted out the TT bikes so that you could show me how to do the TTT thing. Doh. It seems there's never enough time for all the cycling that needs doing.
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Nicely done, @Racer Ex. Now I feel guilty about riding with a hangover such that you had to pull pretty much the whole time.
In retrospect, we should have busted out the TT bikes so that you could show me how to do the TTT thing. Doh. It seems there's never enough time for all the cycling that needs doing.
In retrospect, we should have busted out the TT bikes so that you could show me how to do the TTT thing. Doh. It seems there's never enough time for all the cycling that needs doing.
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Tempus Fugit ITT, Cull Canyon Park, Castro Valley, CA. MW 55+ 12 of 13
This was a 10 mile out and back ITT. Uphill out, downhill back. It's a tough course, with the average grade 4% with rollers featuring steeper pitches. The field was large, because this was the second event in the 2016 Masters Women 55+ Series, and there were 13 riders in all. MEA was there, as was the District Champ Cami De Luca, and several other very good time trialers.
I was determined to focus, stay in the efforts, and do a good ride. My previous best on this course was a 36:23. Of course conditions are paramount, and today the conditions were good. The air was a bit heavy, humid, but there was no wind. My time? 37:12. I was 6 seconds behind a team mate, and 17 seconds ahead of a woman I had never beaten before. Another, younger, teammate was 1:13 faster, and the bulk of the field was 2:30 or so faster than me. The really fast, elite riders had me by 6 to 7 minutes, but I'm fine with that.
Because there was no wind, I opted for my 80MM front wheel. I did a 38 minute trainer warmup following protocol, and arrived at the start house 2 minutes prior to my start. I'm getting good at that! I went off just a little too hard, adrenaline, which surprised me a little because I felt quite relaxed before the start. I settled into a rhythm, as much as can be done on this course with the rollers. I had to go to the small ring more often than I planned to, and I know I lost time there. I had a good turn around, but when I accelerated off the turn for the descent my right foot cramped and I had to back down on effort for a moment until it unlocked. I had a good descent, however I felt I was going faster than I actually was. I held power most all the way down. Even so, my time on the descent was better last year, and I lost some seconds there this time around. I stayed in it hard all the way to the line, and except for the turn around, I never, never, went to the horns, even in the sharper turns.
I was pleased with my effort, I was pleased with my attitude, and even though I'm down a little on power, I am very happy that I've gotten my mojo, my head, back! There's nothing like a "race of truth" to tell on ya. As Ex told me after my very first TT a few years ago - "TT's happen". If they're done right, they do!
This was a 10 mile out and back ITT. Uphill out, downhill back. It's a tough course, with the average grade 4% with rollers featuring steeper pitches. The field was large, because this was the second event in the 2016 Masters Women 55+ Series, and there were 13 riders in all. MEA was there, as was the District Champ Cami De Luca, and several other very good time trialers.
I was determined to focus, stay in the efforts, and do a good ride. My previous best on this course was a 36:23. Of course conditions are paramount, and today the conditions were good. The air was a bit heavy, humid, but there was no wind. My time? 37:12. I was 6 seconds behind a team mate, and 17 seconds ahead of a woman I had never beaten before. Another, younger, teammate was 1:13 faster, and the bulk of the field was 2:30 or so faster than me. The really fast, elite riders had me by 6 to 7 minutes, but I'm fine with that.
Because there was no wind, I opted for my 80MM front wheel. I did a 38 minute trainer warmup following protocol, and arrived at the start house 2 minutes prior to my start. I'm getting good at that! I went off just a little too hard, adrenaline, which surprised me a little because I felt quite relaxed before the start. I settled into a rhythm, as much as can be done on this course with the rollers. I had to go to the small ring more often than I planned to, and I know I lost time there. I had a good turn around, but when I accelerated off the turn for the descent my right foot cramped and I had to back down on effort for a moment until it unlocked. I had a good descent, however I felt I was going faster than I actually was. I held power most all the way down. Even so, my time on the descent was better last year, and I lost some seconds there this time around. I stayed in it hard all the way to the line, and except for the turn around, I never, never, went to the horns, even in the sharper turns.
I was pleased with my effort, I was pleased with my attitude, and even though I'm down a little on power, I am very happy that I've gotten my mojo, my head, back! There's nothing like a "race of truth" to tell on ya. As Ex told me after my very first TT a few years ago - "TT's happen". If they're done right, they do!
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Nicely done, @Racer Ex. Now I feel guilty about riding with a hangover such that you had to pull pretty much the whole time.
In retrospect, we should have busted out the TT bikes so that you could show me how to do the TTT thing. Doh. It seems there's never enough time for all the cycling that needs doing.
In retrospect, we should have busted out the TT bikes so that you could show me how to do the TTT thing. Doh. It seems there's never enough time for all the cycling that needs doing.
Next time, or next time I come down we can work on the TTT stuff. It's really fun if you get it right.
@sarals great job! So much of this (especially TT's) is how you screw your head on before you get to the line. I'm betting the gal you beat is scratching her head
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Thanks, folks! It hurt like hell today, like it should. And I looked forward to it!
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Nice, @globecanvas. That on 6 hours a week is pretty amazing.
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Lookout TT. It was postponed from a week ago. and it also snowed Saturday, so it was never a sure thing. Got there and it was cool and wet, and parking in a snow bank seemed to be the only option. Rolled around for a bit, did some efforts to warm up, and lined up. Forgot to start the Garmin, went out too hard, everything I was not supposed to do. 7th out of 14. 21 were registered, if I remember, so the fields were thinned. 55 seconds off the top step, and over a minute ahead of the fellow in 8th, so I take some solace in that. I'm sort of hangin' with the group I should, I just need to make myself race properly.
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As always: getting to the core of things, very succinctly. Because that's basically what it boils down to: racing properly. I'm always amazed at how difficult it is to execute something so seemingly simple as a TT. All kinds of things happen that mess with your groove and get in your head- delays, parking issues, warm-up logistics, Garmin snafus. Just a big fat learning curve aside from all the training/work etc to prepare.
Nicely done- navigating all that stuff and still laying down a good effort. Up a mountain, no less!
Nicely done- navigating all that stuff and still laying down a good effort. Up a mountain, no less!
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Thank you. @Heathpack.
There is no reason to make this bike racing thing more difficult than it need be, but some days...... Too old to make these rookie mistakes!
There is no reason to make this bike racing thing more difficult than it need be, but some days...... Too old to make these rookie mistakes!
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IMO, racing is 99% execution and 1% preparation with 99% of the preparation being determined by genetics and 1% by actual training plan. There is no way that I can be a 400 watt FTP guy even if I could roll back the clock. It is just not possible. I could train and periodize until the cows come home and it is not going to happen for me but I can train to my genetic potential.
However, I can practice racing simulation and skills a lot and achieve excellence at execution, granted, execution is somewhat genetically predetermined as well.
However, putting it all together to get the most out of ones genetics, IMO, has a monster execution component to it. I like dressing up and riding the correct bike with race equipment and simulate racing during training. The more automatic racing becomes the better one will get at racing versus training. This is a little easier to do at the track because of the venue and the ability to ride race wheels and equipment for practice efforts versus riding to and from a venue for a TT workout.
I think it is important to dress up in practice including TT helmet and skin suit. Everything has a different feel and IMO, affects ones mental state - the bike handles differently. A TT helmet just feels different and sounds different. The goal is to make the race set up feel normal such that there is no adrenaline rush or miscue that causes one to overcook the start. IMO, that is not a rookie mistake but one that is made over and over time after time to racers chagrin with years of experience.
The only fix is practice during training imagining one is racing in a race dress rehearsal until it becomes so ingrained that execution is automatic.
However, I can practice racing simulation and skills a lot and achieve excellence at execution, granted, execution is somewhat genetically predetermined as well.
However, putting it all together to get the most out of ones genetics, IMO, has a monster execution component to it. I like dressing up and riding the correct bike with race equipment and simulate racing during training. The more automatic racing becomes the better one will get at racing versus training. This is a little easier to do at the track because of the venue and the ability to ride race wheels and equipment for practice efforts versus riding to and from a venue for a TT workout.
I think it is important to dress up in practice including TT helmet and skin suit. Everything has a different feel and IMO, affects ones mental state - the bike handles differently. A TT helmet just feels different and sounds different. The goal is to make the race set up feel normal such that there is no adrenaline rush or miscue that causes one to overcook the start. IMO, that is not a rookie mistake but one that is made over and over time after time to racers chagrin with years of experience.
The only fix is practice during training imagining one is racing in a race dress rehearsal until it becomes so ingrained that execution is automatic.
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Awesome @Hermes. Thank you.
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Lookout TT. It was postponed from a week ago. and it also snowed Saturday, so it was never a sure thing. Got there and it was cool and wet, and parking in a snow bank seemed to be the only option. Rolled around for a bit, did some efforts to warm up, and lined up. Forgot to start the Garmin, went out too hard, everything I was not supposed to do. 7th out of 14. 21 were registered, if I remember, so the fields were thinned. 55 seconds off the top step, and over a minute ahead of the fellow in 8th, so I take some solace in that. I'm sort of hangin' with the group I should, I just need to make myself race properly.
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LAJ, what everyone else said. Heathie and I were discussing TT's recently, and she pointed out that they're really a Zen-like experience. I'd add "if they're done properly". You were harried, to say the least, and distractions can kill what could be a good race. Still, it's evident you're strong, and not just pack fodder. You did a great job under the circumstances. Absolutely well don!
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Good ride LAJ.
FWIW I think it all matters. Training, execution, preparation. Not going to do well missing any of those. Genetics are nice to have but I feared the guys that worked hard vs. the guys who were talented but didn't. The guys who had both covered you get a good seat to watch.
Going out too hard in a TT is VERY rare...
(wiping tears away)
I spent my first couple of years ready to quit the sport five minutes in.
My standard advice on anything but a prologue (if you don't have a PM or have trouble keeping your foot off the gas) is to go out and back off a gear from where you think you can ride for the first couple of minutes. Or two. Settle in for a couple of minutes then start clicking the shifter.
Doesn't hurt to visualize that first few minutes either.
FWIW I think it all matters. Training, execution, preparation. Not going to do well missing any of those. Genetics are nice to have but I feared the guys that worked hard vs. the guys who were talented but didn't. The guys who had both covered you get a good seat to watch.
Going out too hard in a TT is VERY rare...
(wiping tears away)
I spent my first couple of years ready to quit the sport five minutes in.
My standard advice on anything but a prologue (if you don't have a PM or have trouble keeping your foot off the gas) is to go out and back off a gear from where you think you can ride for the first couple of minutes. Or two. Settle in for a couple of minutes then start clicking the shifter.
Doesn't hurt to visualize that first few minutes either.
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Nice work LAJ. I think going out a little too hard is actually a good strategy on that course, since it's steepest at the bottom.
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Thank you @rapwithtom. Svelt would be nice, but that's not me, so I'll take your kind words and run with them.
@sarals, I appreciate that! Such a mind game, sometimes exacerbated by our own mind.
@Racer Ex, thank you for the wise words. When you write, I listen. As always, the GIF is spot on.
@valygrl, thank you. I had the beginning and end covered. Once I start cranking in the middle, watch out.
Thanks again, all. Sleep should come easier tonight.
@sarals, I appreciate that! Such a mind game, sometimes exacerbated by our own mind.
@Racer Ex, thank you for the wise words. When you write, I listen. As always, the GIF is spot on.
@valygrl, thank you. I had the beginning and end covered. Once I start cranking in the middle, watch out.
Thanks again, all. Sleep should come easier tonight.
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Nice Racer Ex, LAJ, and sarals.
LAJ, cold and wet TT. I would have loved to have been there.
Trying to figure out how to get into reasonable TT condition on less than 6 hours per week (still traveling to Seattle every-other-week) as I plan to race Districts ITT and TTT (if we can find a 4th) in May.
LAJ, cold and wet TT. I would have loved to have been there.
Trying to figure out how to get into reasonable TT condition on less than 6 hours per week (still traveling to Seattle every-other-week) as I plan to race Districts ITT and TTT (if we can find a 4th) in May.
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Nice Racer Ex, LAJ, and sarals.
LAJ, cold and wet TT. I would have loved to have been there.
Trying to figure out how to get into reasonable TT condition on less than 6 hours per week (still traveling to Seattle every-other-week) as I plan to race Districts ITT and TTT (if we can find a 4th) in May.
LAJ, cold and wet TT. I would have loved to have been there.
Trying to figure out how to get into reasonable TT condition on less than 6 hours per week (still traveling to Seattle every-other-week) as I plan to race Districts ITT and TTT (if we can find a 4th) in May.