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12-16-15, 11:40 AM
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12-16-15, 05:50 PM
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Doubtful. But again, I'd view that as a hassle and not worth the benefits. But, if I had 50/20 vision and was going in for surgery and the options were 20/20 or 20/10, I'd probably say lets go 20/10, I'm already in there.
With that, where is the line drawn? Should one not train or practice because it will make them better? Not drink water or a sports drink because a hydrated/electrolyte balanced athlete performs better than a dehydrated or depleted one? Should a racer in a break not draft because he'd then be saving energy to use later?
I know when I put sports drink in my water bottle on a hot day it is because I feel it will help me perform better than if I didn't. Am I a scourge to the sport? I hope not.
With that, where is the line drawn? Should one not train or practice because it will make them better? Not drink water or a sports drink because a hydrated/electrolyte balanced athlete performs better than a dehydrated or depleted one? Should a racer in a break not draft because he'd then be saving energy to use later?
I know when I put sports drink in my water bottle on a hot day it is because I feel it will help me perform better than if I didn't. Am I a scourge to the sport? I hope not.
No-one has brought up the para games. Those are specifically designed for corrected athletes.
12-16-15, 05:54 PM
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FWIW - junior will not eat the beef in Mexico due to USADA warning sent in email.
12-16-15, 11:18 PM
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I drew my line at no corrections (my opinion and view only). So the 20/10 or the 20/20 that WAS 50/20 - no go. The fact that they were naturally 50/20 means they need to compete that way. Again - at the highest level. Yea - if the correction has what is generally thought (100% of the competitors thought) to be no benefit to the sport - then let them compete. But I would not have a corrected eye shooter, golfer or a blade foot runner competing against others at the top level.
12-17-15, 09:00 AM
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Likely - yes. Moving beyond legal technologies you ingest (this thread) to prostheses and enhancements I will expand on the opinion I gave in the Ride Clean with TUEs. If it is available to everyone and it is temporary - fine. If it corrects things having nothing to do with the sport -fine. But my view is not about what makes it fair or not, rather what ensures everyone at the top of the competition has the same rules and removing all doubt by 100% of the competitors that the technology had any impact on the outcome. So in a triathlon wearing earrings, or cosmetic ear lobe replacement - fine. Wearing glasses, likely fine but more grey. Does seeing better make you a better triathlete? Wearing corrective goggles swimming - fine. Wearing glasses shooting - no. I do not trust those outside the competition to judge on exceptions. If it is a rule variation and any competitor was against it I think it should not be allowed.
12-17-15, 09:22 AM
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12-17-15, 09:35 AM
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This is interesting because my right eye is +.25 and my left is +.75 and this causes some weird long distance focusing issues sometimes. I have thought about lasik because of this, but as a general life improvement thing. It's an interesting point you bring up as I'm sure it would help with cycling.
12-17-15, 10:08 AM
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Anyone AVOID flu shots? I had to lookup the anti-injection rule to make sure it was OK. The exempts vaccinations. So junior and I got shot up last week - mom has to. I asked about issues after shots with the body working hard for a couple weeks to build up. There is just a bit more fatigue after the shot it seems.
12-17-15, 10:52 AM
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This is interesting because my right eye is +.25 and my left is +.75 and this causes some weird long distance focusing issues sometimes. I have thought about lasik because of this, but as a general life improvement thing. It's an interesting point you bring up as I'm sure it would help with cycling.
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12-17-15, 11:23 AM
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Yeah, I'm sure it'd help some to get better detail on the road and all, but I think it helps most with batters in baseball getting a better look at how the pitcher is gripping the ball right before release (which is why a lot of pro mlb players do get the surgery to go from normal to better vision).
12-17-15, 11:31 AM
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I'll probably go that route. I've been wary because I've had one fly out mid race on a descent, which was entirely disorienting.
Still, the lasik/body mod stuff in general is also an interesting wrinkle in the topic.
Still, the lasik/body mod stuff in general is also an interesting wrinkle in the topic.
12-17-15, 11:47 AM
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12-17-15, 11:49 AM
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You could go the ultimate and take a plastic surgeon to the wind tunnel with you to identify the optimal places for a surgical implant to make you more aerodynamic.
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12-17-15, 12:16 PM
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I've lost a contact lens in a couple races and group rides. It is no fun at all and, for me, depth perception declines quickly. I basically have to sit on the back a d hope for a clear path to the front near the finish.
12-17-15, 12:29 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the concern here. Your prescription is quite weak at less then 1 for each eye, plus you are farsighted, so the biggest problem would be not being able to read your computer. Why do you have issues focusing on things in the distance?
12-17-15, 12:37 PM
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For what it is worth, I don't notice any fatigue at all after a flu shot. A slight soreness in my arm, but no overall fatigue. No reason to back off of training IMO.
12-17-15, 12:39 PM
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I was born crosseyed and when I was a kid had a few surgeries to fix it. I have awkward depth perception sometimes because of this, like when my eyes aren't seeing with the same prescription my brain does this weird thing where I wind up seeing thru one eye and the other one kind of shuts off. I don't know how to explain it.
Anyway, daily eye exercises help, as do glasses. The exercise is thus: hold up a pen with one eye closed and pick an object to appear next to it. Then open the other eye and make sure the same object is visible on the other side of the pen without having to move it. Then you open both your eyes; you should see two of the object, but when I'm tired or don't keep up with my eye exercises I can only see one as my eyes sometimes have problems working together.
Anyway, daily eye exercises help, as do glasses. The exercise is thus: hold up a pen with one eye closed and pick an object to appear next to it. Then open the other eye and make sure the same object is visible on the other side of the pen without having to move it. Then you open both your eyes; you should see two of the object, but when I'm tired or don't keep up with my eye exercises I can only see one as my eyes sometimes have problems working together.
12-19-15, 11:09 PM
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