spry

Well Bile-Brain,it sounds like your just trolling for reactions from people.
Interesting that your posting from Ryanf.s hood eh?

ElJamoquio

We'd better start putting some cycling relating stuff in this thread, or it's going to be locked quicker than you can say Koffee.

TheKillerPenguin

Welcome to the dark side

timmhaan

i have nothing to say....but, damn! this thread is still going!?

DrPete 

zimbo

I love this thread and I'm glad it gets bumped from time to time...

Perhaps "moving you forcibly" is a stretch, but using one's hand to direct another cyclist happens ALL THE TIME at elite levels of cycling. On the Wednesday night group ride around here if you take a turn in the rotating paceline and you pull through too hard, someone is going to yell "whoa" or (gently) grab your jersey pocket to let you know you're surging; if you don't pull through hard enough, someone is going to yell "pull through, pull through" or (gently) push you from behind.

If it happens to you, please know that it's not a personal attack. You're being taught with terseness, and chances are good that someone will come up to you after the pace slows back down to explain what you did wrong.

I say this because that's how I learned. And, in fact, I'm still learning.

--Steve

spearce

understood and i have no problem with the conditions you have stated. The OP did not present the situation as such and from the tone of his earlier posts i'm pretty sure it wasn't a "hey there how ya doing" type of jersey grab. i'm actually pretty anxious to get started with some of these group pace line rides so that i can get a better understanding about this thing.

DrPete 

zimbo does make a good point. In races as well, there's a fair amount of touching/nudging/etc. that happens as you move up the cats. It's a form of communication, really. This is a completely foreign concept to most Cat 5's just starting out, and over-reaction to incidental contact is probably the #1 reason for crashes in Cat 5 (and even some Cat 4) races.

Yet another thing I didn't know when I went off on the OP so long ago...

spearce

yeah...i've watched quite a bit of cycling on TV and Youtube and that was one of the first things i noticied. those i would classify as good touches. my mom told me that those are perfectly OK.

ovoleg

the original poster is a noob.

Only a noobcake would post something like this, trying to pretend that they arent really noobs.

WHy would I even argue with a nooblizard that posted this. His ego? He doesnt have one, he is a noobbad. No ego comes with such a thing.

Move along, nothing to see here but a noob

godspiral

about the no cutting out of line rule,

is it ok if the people up front decide to up the pace and/or you don't think you will hang for the next 5 minutes, to announce/signal you are breaking off, hopefully doing a courtesy acceleration to close the gap somewhat, then breaking off into the other lane?

ovoleg

if your going to break off then break off. Jeez, its not that big of a deal. If the noobs behind you who are "training" can't close the gap of one bike length then they need to practice more.

Just dont make a habit of it, I am sure most people will understand if you just CANT handle it and decide to break off. It's better to break off then start slowing down and get a 10 bike length gap.

beaus pete

so because my group rides along at 20-22 and yells car up, back and clear we are a bunch of freds...uhhhh screw you and how many times do you really think I care to her "well be the ones riding 30"...big f*ckng deal...have fun and leave my rides alone...you not any better cause you ride faster o i forgot you think you are...

DrPete 

Funny, I bet the OP is thinking the exact same thing.

DrPete 

Once again, your cluelessness precedes you.

TheKillerPenguin

There's a time and place for those types of rides, and its called active recovery

Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with that type of ride, I do them and have lots of fun doing them. Just know that a 30mph paceline is a different animal, and if you get into one you better know exactly what you're doing.

ViperZ

This thread cracks me up.... I like the original intent, all the responses, and all the back at you comments

We routinely pack ride at 30mph, double and rotating pace line. Very rarely do we have to "Yell at anybody" if ever

A passing comment will do... It's not a tough task at hand, much like riding a bicycle. The steer around pot holes and don't leave mid pack is silly however... It's more dangerous to quickly change direction around a pot hole in a pack rather than just roll through it. If you are not strong enough to pull up front, get to the back of the line, because there will be many others that want the font line to keep pace. Just signal out and drift back, no big deal, no reason to yell....

However, I suppose if yelling is needed, it's warranted.

ggg300

Hocam

All these people talking about 30 mph rides make me think there should be more hour record challengers. I think it stands around 33 mph for 1 hr, but that's a solo rider so no drafting.

Well that and that flying scotsman movie, that was the ****.

cyclezen

so I'm hoping this just a 'reaction' to what seems a repeated counterpoint of'eliteism' in the thread about the OP's comments. Certainly the cycling universe is larger than any of us. Whether you ride a Bike Friday, Bent or are a Tri-Geek, messenger or Sunday Poseur matters very little on a 'value' scale - its really all good.
Now, the OP's tone might seem a bit high & mighty and the physical stuff might be more 'exaggeration' than reality (I hope so). Most of the points are well taken. I might personally disagree with some, slightly; but overall for a high level training ride with a single mindset, its ok.
More general might be the point that 'jumping in' on any seemingly organized ride/thing is prolly done gingerly with much awareness to what the deal seems to be. If you're welcome, it'll be obvious soon enough. If you're not 'suited', that should hit you in the face quickly enough also; without need for external intervention.
SO, how does one 'break in' to a ride like this?
Surprisingly the old 'apprentice'/journeyman/master concept works quite well. If you really 'need' to be able to ride with this kind of group, find a way to work 'up' in both strength and especially knowledge/skill.
Some riders clearly have much more muscle than experience while 'others' can't muster enough 'juice' out of their legs anymore, despite all the experience they've accumulated. Be accepting of your own capabilities and make it 'fit' or find another venue. If you approach a group in that fashion, they'll usually cut you enough slack to give you the best chance of fitting in.
If that group can ride this strongly, then they certainly might be 'elite' in their own realm.
If you wanna get there, then consider good advise, even if it comes across a little shrill.

ovoleg

only a noob would question me

ovoleg

I've done ~30mph pacelines, its called FLAT, NO HEADWIND, NO TRAFFIC, NICE TERRAIN, GOOD RIDERS.

The OP is an a$$ though, I wouldnt ride with his noob group that yells at everyone.

Ih8lucky13

I have a good idea who is in the group he rides with , and your post just dis-credits you.

ovoleg

my post discredits me.

ok

how

I want a logical argument for this

nothing asinine

thank you

KinjaBoy

A Haiku for everybody...

Tired of drivel
Ovoleg to ignore list
Worth a try, I think

Back to the thread...

After reading most of the thread, I can certainly understand why somebody would make their intentions known by nudges and loud barks. What that means to me: know what kind of group you are riding with and honestly answer the question, "Can I hang with these riders?".