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Nation,
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
No one reacts, maybe he can bridge up to you.
I have helped a teammate win by taking a 1k flyer. I got caught at 100 meters by a group of 8 or so, including a team mate who got a good leadout as a result of the chase effort. Of course he had a pretty good sprint.
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Nation,
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
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So I broke down and pre-spent some upcoming bonus money on parts to build a gaming pc. I used to game a lot, but haven't had a decent machine in a while. Pretty sure my cycling career will be over soon
Also doesn't help that the wife has a stand mixer on the way... gaming and baked goodies, I'm really hosed now.
Also doesn't help that the wife has a stand mixer on the way... gaming and baked goodies, I'm really hosed now.
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Search under "New Orléans Bicycle Club". That's the local race team and they have rides during the week and on weekends. Good folks to ride with!
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Nation,
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
Drilling it at the front will only help the sprinters, not tire them out. If teammate can't get separation early in the race, the chances of getting it at the end seem even slimmer.
Seems more like the question should be 'what can I do for said teammate early in the race'?
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Yeah, except I already know that one Teammate is much stronger than me but assembled from entirely different parts. He can almost always get up the road for a good long while but in a race without a big climb (in other words any race I am in) he gets reeled in eventually and just gives up for the finish. If he gets caught late enough it's a great situation for me, obviously. But I'd like to repay the favors he's done me by giving him a reason not to throw in the towel if it nears the end and the group is together. Or just get him any kind of a not-last result in these races. Maybe it's not feasible.
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This seems like it belongs in the racing forum:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
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Yeah, except I already know that one Teammate is much stronger than me but assembled from entirely different parts. He can almost always get up the road for a good long while but in a race without a big climb (in other words any race I am in) he gets reeled in eventually and just gives up for the finish. If he gets caught late enough it's a great situation for me, obviously. But I'd like to repay the favors he's done me by giving him a reason not to throw in the towel if it nears the end and the group is together. Or just get him any kind of a not-last result in these races. Maybe it's not feasible.
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This seems like it belongs in the racing forum:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
But toddlers racing them? I'm not so sure about that. I'd like to see them develop the love on their own and choose to do it when they're able to actively make the choice. I've had too many relatives/friends burn out on sports as a kid due to over-involved parents. To each their own, I guess.
To be fair, I didn't get past the paywall to read the full article.
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This seems like it belongs in the racing forum:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
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Tour of Utah route was released. Pretty excited for the Layton to Bountiful stage. This will run in front of where I'll be living and through the area I'll be working at. Going to have to leverage a day off on that Friday to spectate in the new hometown and then head down to SLC to watch the final stage.
Tour of Utah Announces Route for 2017 - Course Maps Included! - Cycling West - Cycling Utah
Tour of Utah Announces Route for 2017 - Course Maps Included! - Cycling West - Cycling Utah
#291
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I know a lot of you guys in here frequently race twice in a day. Any recovery tips for a two stage race day with ~ 3 hours in between events? It's a TTT first (10 km) and a crit (~30 km) after if that has any relevance.
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Yeah, except I already know that one Teammate is much stronger than me but assembled from entirely different parts. He can almost always get up the road for a good long while but in a race without a big climb (in other words any race I am in) he gets reeled in eventually and just gives up for the finish. If he gets caught late enough it's a great situation for me, obviously. But I'd like to repay the favors he's done me by giving him a reason not to throw in the towel if it nears the end and the group is together. Or just get him any kind of a not-last result in these races. Maybe it's not feasible.
If this is mutual bro and you are talking about the race I think you are talking about and he is there at the finish with you, I don't think he'll have the desire to position himself properly coming into the sprint if you take a flyer and make others work to chase you down. However, I do think that if you were to string everything out and he happened to be one of the 5-6 guys sitting behind you he would feel comfortable and confident and be able to finish it off. I think you are strong enough to get things single file for him.
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This seems like it belongs in the racing forum:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome...19156?mod=e2tw
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Got notification today that I passed the PE national exam and both California civil exams
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Nation,
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
If a race is all together at the finish, what's the best way to help out a teammate who has no sprint? All I can think of is to get on the front for the last 3-5 minutes or so and try to drill it all the way to the finish. A sprinter will still win but at least that will weed out the tired sprinters and minimize the number of non-sprinters who pass him. Or maybe try to slingshot him off the front with 1-2k to go? Except that seems just as likely to do nothing useful, if he can't get separation from the field (see the part where he has no sprint, above). ???
I'd try to set up for a counter for him. Meaning you launch a lot, at some point he counter launches.
Also it would really, really, really help if your teammate did ZERO work until he went. Like ZERO work. Avg wattage under 200w and hopefully under 180w for example, until whatever to go, like 5 to go or something. Then when he went it'd be a stunner.
He also needs to work on top speed in a 60 second effort. Not sprint top speed, more like "how fast can you roll a 53x12 seated?" top speed. If he can hold 35 mph for a bit then that's enough, most sprints won't go much faster and if he has a gap then 35 mph would probably win him a race handily.
I think of the 2015 Aetna NSS "sprint". I barely exceeded 900w max once in the last 30s of the race and won by a couple seconds. My efforts were 900w peak, 800w peak, 700w peak, 600w peak, and 500w peak. Absolutely within the realm of any normal rider out there. My sprint was absolutely pathetic. Key was the distraction in second wheel, appropriately initialed "KO". KO jumped way early, drew me out, then kept going fast enough so everyone waited for him to do something. By the time everyone realized they had to go it was too late.
If you could be KO for your teammate then you could lead him out of the group (or the front) then let him ease away in the last whatever 400 meters as he goes a steady 35 mph and you're going 32 then 30 then 29 whatever.
I bet if he did zero in the race he could place well in any tough sprint with just a normal leadout. There are a lot of guys too afraid to put it on the line for one effort so they're constantly attacking or chasing or closing gaps or whatever, and by the time the sprint rolls around they're cooked.
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Well, you have to be out a few years just to sit for it anyway. So basically everyone has to study their ass off for a while. I think I studied like 10 hours a week for 6 months or something.