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Not only that, but when you sign up for an account on that site, the site keeps sending you semi-spam email about which popular thread to read, etc. I've clicked the unsubscribe link to no avail and keep getting that crap. Had to finally set up a spam filter to send it to junk mail. Now I wish I'd never set up a r****t account.
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Back in my day people didn't have the annonymity of the internet to hide behind when they insulted you...they had to do it to your face, in public.
I grew up in Chicago in the 1960's and 70's and I can't tell you the number of times strangers on the streets would hurl insults at me and my friend as we rode. Insults from cars, pedestrians and other bikes...sometimes people sitting on their porches.
Internet trolls don't know you, don't care about you and you shouldn't give them a second thought.
They're just like the smelly woman on the bus who insults your choice of shoes, or the impatient man on the train platform who barks at you to enter the train even though people are still coming out.
Learn to discern whose opinions count and ignore the rest.
(I'd also like to give a "shout-out" to the BF moderators and members who do a nice job of keeping things here civil.)
Back in my day people didn't have the annonymity of the internet to hide behind when they insulted you...they had to do it to your face, in public.
I grew up in Chicago in the 1960's and 70's and I can't tell you the number of times strangers on the streets would hurl insults at me and my friend as we rode. Insults from cars, pedestrians and other bikes...sometimes people sitting on their porches.
Internet trolls don't know you, don't care about you and you shouldn't give them a second thought.
They're just like the smelly woman on the bus who insults your choice of shoes, or the impatient man on the train platform who barks at you to enter the train even though people are still coming out.
Learn to discern whose opinions count and ignore the rest.
(I'd also like to give a "shout-out" to the BF moderators and members who do a nice job of keeping things here civil.)
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I don't know where to start but I recently made a post on a ****** (starts R ends with a T, censored for some reason, pronounced "read it") forum cycling about me having difficulty getting muscle soreness and thought that muscle soreness was an indicator of a good workout. I gave some background information of how I started cycling and what kind of riding I do. I mentioned that I did a 20 mile ride a few days ago, that I was going full gas all the way but that even when I was hurting all the way, that I experienced little to no soreness. I just asked for any advice that would help me.
After I made the post, people started commenting things such as "how autistic are you?" "we aren't here to stroke your ego". One person even asked in what time I did 20 miles and I said in 1:20 hr and I get so many negative downvotes for that and he says that it is pedestrian speed. Someone even shared my post to another forum and they are all putting me down saying how embarrassingly slow I am and that their grandma rides faster than me. I've become a laughingstock now all over ******. Honestly I feel unmotivated to even go out on the bike anymore. I just cared about breaking my own personal records and improving my fitness, I could care less if I'm slower than 90% of cyclists. I feel pretty down and unmotivated to cycle.
After I made the post, people started commenting things such as "how autistic are you?" "we aren't here to stroke your ego". One person even asked in what time I did 20 miles and I said in 1:20 hr and I get so many negative downvotes for that and he says that it is pedestrian speed. Someone even shared my post to another forum and they are all putting me down saying how embarrassingly slow I am and that their grandma rides faster than me. I've become a laughingstock now all over ******. Honestly I feel unmotivated to even go out on the bike anymore. I just cared about breaking my own personal records and improving my fitness, I could care less if I'm slower than 90% of cyclists. I feel pretty down and unmotivated to cycle.
First, it is my opinion that as a whole people are generally more reactive and less civil than a generation ago. Take all forum responses with a grain of salt and understand there are cyber bullies out there looking to pounce.
Second, learn to understand and develop that you have a choice (internal locus of control) on how you want to react to incivility. The world is not fair. A lot of interweb tough guys would cower if confronted face-to-face. Ultimately, the decision Not to ride is on you.
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I'll just point out that 20 miles in 1.3 hours is a bit better than average for cyclists. Actual speeds, not internet speeds. If you don't believe me, go onto Google Maps, trace out a random route and check the predicted time that the trip takes. Google simply uses analytics of actual bike rides to predict the likely speed.
Additionally it's all relative, not only to individual capabilities but also relative to where that person is with respect to his conditioning. These comparisons don't really matter.
Additionally it's all relative, not only to individual capabilities but also relative to where that person is with respect to his conditioning. These comparisons don't really matter.
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15 miles per for over an hour. Yeah, I'd feel pretty good about myself if I were able to ride that pace. Alas...
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Two mindsets to consider.
First, it is my opinion that as a whole people are generally more reactive and less civil than a generation ago. Take all forum responses with a grain of salt and understand there are cyber bullies out there looking to pounce.
Second, learn to understand and develop that you have a choice (internal locus of control) on how you want to react to incivility. The world is not fair. A lot of interweb tough guys would cower if confronted face-to-face. Ultimately, the decision Not to ride is on you.
First, it is my opinion that as a whole people are generally more reactive and less civil than a generation ago. Take all forum responses with a grain of salt and understand there are cyber bullies out there looking to pounce.
Second, learn to understand and develop that you have a choice (internal locus of control) on how you want to react to incivility. The world is not fair. A lot of interweb tough guys would cower if confronted face-to-face. Ultimately, the decision Not to ride is on you.
I don't know where to start but I recently made a post on a ****** (starts R ends with a T, censored for some reason, pronounced "read it") forum cycling about me having difficulty getting muscle soreness and thought that muscle soreness was an indicator of a good workout. I gave some background information of how I started cycling and what kind of riding I do. I mentioned that I did a 20 mile ride a few days ago, that I was going full gas all the way but that even when I was hurting all the way, that I experienced little to no soreness. I just asked for any advice that would help me.
After I made the post, people started commenting things such as "how autistic are you?" "we aren't here to stroke your ego". One person even asked in what time I did 20 miles and I said in 1:20 hr and I get so many negative downvotes for that and he says that it is pedestrian speed. Someone even shared my post to another forum and they are all putting me down saying how embarrassingly slow I am and that their grandma rides faster than me. I've become a laughingstock now all over ******. Honestly I feel unmotivated to even go out on the bike anymore. I just cared about breaking my own personal records and improving my fitness, I could care less if I'm slower than 90% of cyclists. I feel pretty down and unmotivated to cycle.
After I made the post, people started commenting things such as "how autistic are you?" "we aren't here to stroke your ego". One person even asked in what time I did 20 miles and I said in 1:20 hr and I get so many negative downvotes for that and he says that it is pedestrian speed. Someone even shared my post to another forum and they are all putting me down saying how embarrassingly slow I am and that their grandma rides faster than me. I've become a laughingstock now all over ******. Honestly I feel unmotivated to even go out on the bike anymore. I just cared about breaking my own personal records and improving my fitness, I could care less if I'm slower than 90% of cyclists. I feel pretty down and unmotivated to cycle.
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Nothing like getting back on your bike and going for a ride. In minutes you will shed all of that negativity.
When I first joined BF a decade or so ago I posted a request for advice about 24" tubular tires. Perhaps it was the way I worded my post, but I was surprised by how many responses disparaged my question, my intelligence, and my newness to the forum. I've learned to both know what kind of requests are likely to trigger the haters, but also to ignore them when they raise their heads.
Like I said - go ride and leave it behind.
When I first joined BF a decade or so ago I posted a request for advice about 24" tubular tires. Perhaps it was the way I worded my post, but I was surprised by how many responses disparaged my question, my intelligence, and my newness to the forum. I've learned to both know what kind of requests are likely to trigger the haters, but also to ignore them when they raise their heads.
Like I said - go ride and leave it behind.
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I've got 20 mile rides around here that can take 2.5 hours. Straight up the entire time.
Your experience is the reason I've got Strava on private. I can track my progress and roughly compare my times to others in the area without becoming part of the circle jerk.
It's also why I don't mention speeds or times here.
Your experience is the reason I've got Strava on private. I can track my progress and roughly compare my times to others in the area without becoming part of the circle jerk.
It's also why I don't mention speeds or times here.
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I've got 20 mile rides around here that can take 2.5 hours. Straight up the entire time.
Your experience is the reason I've got Strava on private. I can track my progress and roughly compare my times to others in the area without becoming part of the circle jerk.
It's also why I don't mention speeds or times here.
Your experience is the reason I've got Strava on private. I can track my progress and roughly compare my times to others in the area without becoming part of the circle jerk.
It's also why I don't mention speeds or times here.
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Yeah, the internet and forums can be full of bastiges and crap. It's hard to punch an internet bastige in the mouth when they deserve it, so browbeating is all that's left. And if you can't return the browbeating you receive, it's best to walk away from the keyboard and get back into real life. Real life happens to be so much better than most situations on the 'net anyway.
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You'll find a wide range of people in the world. Keep in mind that the people on the forums are not paid, although moderation my impact the overall nature of the forum.
Most of the people here are supportive, but you'll often get advice that goes beyond your original expectations. And, if you don't want to hear the advice, then just ignore it and move on.
I'm not sure why links to the Rxxx website have been banned here, as well as elsewhere. I presume at one time they had fairly malicious spamming. But, perhaps you've found a reason to seek a forum that meets your expectations.
Most of the people here are supportive, but you'll often get advice that goes beyond your original expectations. And, if you don't want to hear the advice, then just ignore it and move on.
I'm not sure why links to the Rxxx website have been banned here, as well as elsewhere. I presume at one time they had fairly malicious spamming. But, perhaps you've found a reason to seek a forum that meets your expectations.
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1. When cycling (or other hobby) are a "subforum" of another forum, all bets are off. It could be a total troll fest. Stick to where the main point of the forum is the hobby itself.
2. You'll need a little more data around what your complaint is about the soreness. Is it due to lack for training for the duration you're trying to do? Is it due to lack of recovery or over training? Is it due to fit?
What specificially hurts? (As in, what muscles, point to it or identify it on a chart and name it).
When does it hurt? During hard efforts? At low cadence? At the end of a longer ride or workout? Immediately after the workout? That night when trying to sleep? Day or so later?
You state you get soreness, but then state one sentence later you didn't have soreness after 20 miles all out.
I'd file 90% of non-racer non-enduro junkie aches and pains down to not being trained for the distance or duration you're trying to do. Taper up to the desired duration or distance. Maybe find a "fondo" plan for a distance similar to what you have trouble with, and follow it.
The rest is a mix of age, bad bike fit, not recovering properly, or not supplementing riding with some light core/leg/arm exercises by doing some yoga or pushups and such. Or maybe run once in a while.
Start there, and don't go to R for a good place for bike stuff. I wouldn't go ask for automotive advice on a bicycling forum either.
2. You'll need a little more data around what your complaint is about the soreness. Is it due to lack for training for the duration you're trying to do? Is it due to lack of recovery or over training? Is it due to fit?
What specificially hurts? (As in, what muscles, point to it or identify it on a chart and name it).
When does it hurt? During hard efforts? At low cadence? At the end of a longer ride or workout? Immediately after the workout? That night when trying to sleep? Day or so later?
You state you get soreness, but then state one sentence later you didn't have soreness after 20 miles all out.
I'd file 90% of non-racer non-enduro junkie aches and pains down to not being trained for the distance or duration you're trying to do. Taper up to the desired duration or distance. Maybe find a "fondo" plan for a distance similar to what you have trouble with, and follow it.
The rest is a mix of age, bad bike fit, not recovering properly, or not supplementing riding with some light core/leg/arm exercises by doing some yoga or pushups and such. Or maybe run once in a while.
Start there, and don't go to R for a good place for bike stuff. I wouldn't go ask for automotive advice on a bicycling forum either.
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I'll just point out that 20 miles in 1.3 hours is a bit better than average for cyclists. Actual speeds, not internet speeds. If you don't believe me, go onto Google Maps, trace out a random route and check the predicted time that the trip takes. Google simply uses analytics of actual bike rides to predict the likely speed.
Additionally it's all relative, not only to individual capabilities but also relative to where that person is with respect to his conditioning. These comparisons don't really matter.
Additionally it's all relative, not only to individual capabilities but also relative to where that person is with respect to his conditioning. These comparisons don't really matter.
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To your original question: I don't think muscle soreness is a good indicator of whether or not you had a good workout. It is a good indicator that you haven't used those particular muscles strenuously very recently.
Also, if you're truly going "full gas," then 80 minutes all out is a brutal workout whether you're a noob or a UCI pro. If you do it every ride, that's a recipe for plateauing and then burning out.
Also, if you're truly going "full gas," then 80 minutes all out is a brutal workout whether you're a noob or a UCI pro. If you do it every ride, that's a recipe for plateauing and then burning out.
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Google has also occasionally notified me that my commute would take longer than usual - giving me a number, 35 minutes for example - clearly already knowing that I'll be taking my bike, what route I'll take and how long it takes me. Google location history can tell me whether I biked, drove or walked on specific trips so it's obvious, to me, that they analyze my movements and patterns.
Google doesn't publish their specific algorithms that I know of, but they most definitely calculate trip times dynamically. The bike trip predictions appear to me to work just like the driving trip predictions, Google has all the data they need for it*, and I've seen no indications that they don't. I'd say I'm 90%-95% certain of it.
*there might be more biking data in my area, and not enough for more than some kind of default calculation on the routes you checked.
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MOD NOTE: To the couple of you intent on bickering. Take it to PM.
Or move to that other forum where nobody cares what's posted.
Or move to that other forum where nobody cares what's posted.
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I get different times for bike trips depending on the time of day, and it varies with the number of stop lights, elevation changes, and apparently other factors. The route times differ from one direction and the other direction.
Google has also occasionally notified me that my commute would take longer than usual - giving me a number, 35 minutes for example - clearly already knowing that I'll be taking my bike, what route I'll take and how long it takes me. Google location history can tell me whether I biked, drove or walked on specific trips so it's obvious, to me, that they analyze my movements and patterns.
Google doesn't publish their specific algorithms that I know of, but they most definitely calculate trip times dynamically. The bike trip predictions appear to me to work just like the driving trip predictions, Google has all the data they need for it*, and I've seen no indications that they don't. I'd say I'm 90%-95% certain of it.
*there might be more biking data in my area, and not enough for more than some kind of default calculation on the routes you checked.
Google has also occasionally notified me that my commute would take longer than usual - giving me a number, 35 minutes for example - clearly already knowing that I'll be taking my bike, what route I'll take and how long it takes me. Google location history can tell me whether I biked, drove or walked on specific trips so it's obvious, to me, that they analyze my movements and patterns.
Google doesn't publish their specific algorithms that I know of, but they most definitely calculate trip times dynamically. The bike trip predictions appear to me to work just like the driving trip predictions, Google has all the data they need for it*, and I've seen no indications that they don't. I'd say I'm 90%-95% certain of it.
*there might be more biking data in my area, and not enough for more than some kind of default calculation on the routes you checked.
Come to think of it, I'm actually getting different estimates when I'm closer into Boston but I've only noticed it happening in the last few weeks, and very sporadically. I suspect they're expanding the data mapping and the new estimations aren't yet available in the more rural parts of NH and MA that I do a lot of my riding in.
I use it for my gps directions when I'm riding, so I can see the estimated time go down as I ride. It definitely defaults to 11 mph, but now I think it must be transitioning to the system you're talking about in this region.
Thanks!
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You actually care about what someone or something, in the virtual world, who you have never met, will never meet, or know personally, thinks about you and your personal problems, or issues? How sad, this is what wrong with today’s society, too much importance given to social media. You got a few good answers, go with that, and ignore the rest. In one way social media, is like the real world though, your not going to get along with everybody
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Come to think of it, I'm actually getting different estimates when I'm closer into Boston but I've only noticed it happening in the last few weeks, and very sporadically. I suspect they're expanding the data mapping and the new estimations aren't yet available in the more rural parts of NH and MA that I do a lot of my riding in.
I use it for my gps directions when I'm riding, so I can see the estimated time go down as I ride. It definitely defaults to 11 mph, but now I think it must be transitioning to the system you're talking about in this region.
Thanks!
I use it for my gps directions when I'm riding, so I can see the estimated time go down as I ride. It definitely defaults to 11 mph, but now I think it must be transitioning to the system you're talking about in this region.
Thanks!
Anyway 11 mph overall seems about right, maybe 12, and even if Google's predictions were more basic and less dynamic than I'm thinking they'd surely base it on the most common or average speeds anyway. So OP's anecdote isn't really "grandma slow". It's faster than most.
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To your original question: I don't think muscle soreness is a good indicator of whether or not you had a good workout. It is a good indicator that you haven't used those particular muscles strenuously very recently.
Also, if you're truly going "full gas," then 80 minutes all out is a brutal workout whether you're a noob or a UCI pro. If you do it every ride, that's a recipe for plateauing and then burning out.
Also, if you're truly going "full gas," then 80 minutes all out is a brutal workout whether you're a noob or a UCI pro. If you do it every ride, that's a recipe for plateauing and then burning out.