Doge

You may not receive assistance from other than your team.

dz_nuzz

Aside from neutral service.

Wylde06

Doge probably doesn't like neutral wheel pits either

Doge

DA RD-9100 questions:
Will it work with the 9000 system?
Will it work with the 9000 wires, but all new 9100 parts?

Anyone know what size pulleys the new Rear Derailleur will take?

I'm wanting to use these 13T pulleys.

Edit Update: Got this answer...
"Each individual R9150 component is 100% compatible with 9070 as well as 6870 Ultegra Di2.
Don’t know about pulley cages. I rode the Ceramic Speed 17T for 1500 miles then index shifting deteriorated badly. I would stick with the pulleys it has. Max you can save is 1 watt with 13T."

Doge

I'm fine with them. That is one of the best arguments to use "standard" stuff on a racing bike.
That bike looks like it could have been a MAVIC neutral yellow.

aaronmcd

It's pretty common at local crits for riders (non-teammates) not competing to offer up wheels. Was wondering if this applies to all USAC road events so looked it up.

3B8. Support. When not otherwise prohibited, competitors
may exchange food and drink among themselves. Tires, tools,
pumps, wheels, and bicycles may be exchanged only among
members of the same team and a rider may not sacrifice
himself for another rider unless on the same team.

Perhaps what it really means is "may not be exchanged by competitors"

Doge

You are likely describing a rule violation. It is an often ignored rule.

Those on the sideline - non competitors may not help from start to finish. Before the start - they may help. "Team" also includes team support. So car and feed are OK. Some race bibles say team feed support must wear team jerseys.

It comes up sometimes when a feel good story about a spectator bike being loaned to a rider who has a mechanical. It is totally ignored in Paris Roubaix where there are thousands of spectators with spare wheels.

globecanvas

A non teammate who wasn't even in the race gave me a wheel at the state crit last year. The official, who was being very letter-of-the-law in general (wouldn't let me even talk to the pit guy until he entered my number on his sheet), was right there for the whole "I didn't put a wheel in," "here use mine," handing the wheel over the barrier into the pit conversation. I'd be surprised if any official wouldn't have done the same.

ancker

More importantly, what 'kid' rides a 54cm bike?

topflightpro

I see this as a rule that should be applied differently between pros and amateurs. Yes, I understand there is one rule book, but let's be honest, penalizing an amateur for using a non-teammate's wheel is kind of ridiculous.

Some amateurs aren't on teams or they can't afford a second set of wheels, but a friend or other kindly racer is happy to loan them one in a pinch. Enforcing this rule against amateurs, especially in the lower categories, only hurts the sport.

As for the pro riding the bike given to him by a spectator earlier, yeah, that technically broke the rules. But we already discussed it months ago when it happened, and most agreed it was a funny story and the guy received no real competitive advantage from it. So, let's make an exception in this case.

This gets back to Doge's obsession with the rule book and whether all rules are being applied equally and equitably all the time, while at the same time, he is doing everything he can to push the rules to their limits.

Doge

I agree with @topflightpro on application. As I posted over a year ago, it is left to the official. The "rules are rules" line has a pile of exceptions. They are not applied equally, at least, and application varies by location and level and I'm fine with that.
What seems like pushing a rule to its limit may be more the variation of what is allowed under different rules and venues. A traveling junior can have huge swings in what is allowed. A totally fine bike on Wed may be an illegal one on Sunday. I enjoy the technical nuances. In rules, in equipment etc.

globecanvas

I just put some GP 4 seasons 32s on my winter bike. OMG SO NICE.

TheKillerPenguin

^ Better than gators? Gators ride like concrete feels.

globecanvas

These are like a plush randonneuring lincoln continental. I love GP 4 seasons for winter riding in general, but these 32s are like pillows full of kittens. 60/65 psi. So nice.

shovelhd

When I am working the pit at a criterium with no neutral or mechanic I ask the riders to label their wheels with their team name as well as theirs. This helps prevent a rider with no wheels in the pit from grabbing any wheel for service. That's the intent of the rule in amateur racing from my point of view. If a rider puts equipment in the pit it damn site better be there if they need it. If a rider withdraws and their wheels are in the pit, and offers them to anyone, so be it. I'll allow that all day long. I'm recording who is taking service so there is a record.

When there are pros with mechanics in the pit I have to be strict as they are very finicky about their equipment.

jsutkeepspinnin

My old team venge never had that problem, but I also had a ton of carbon paste and a slightly higher than recommended torque on the retaining bolt due to this very problem that a friend had.

jsutkeepspinnin

I've been over 6 feet since i was 13 (or was it 14? what age are you in 5th grade?)

shovelhd

Look who's back from the ban. Who's next, RyanF?

jsutkeepspinnin

ban? I just quit racing old man!

shovelhd

Then why was your account deleted, punk?

jsutkeepspinnin

Because I forgot the password to my old account. How's life treating you old man? long time no see.

gsteinb

so, uh, why are you here then?

jsutkeepspinnin

boredom, why else is anyone here?

gsteinb

Mostly to exchange information around racing bicycles.

aaronmcd

To be fair, there are some serious conversations on here, like what Mollusk is making for dinner, what TMonk is currently grooving to, and TheKillerPenguin trying to confuse everyone with strange sentences.